Anyone else hearing that JP has already decided Prohm is coming back?
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Nebraska is a bottom feeder program that graduated 4 senior starters the year they fired Miles. It is a complete rebuild without the talent gmac left behind. He is bringing in a 5 star recruit and has as many wins in the last 2 years as prohm does. It was a complete program whipe at Nebraska. Only 2 players on the previous team were left, and only 1 had played the year before. The team had 13 players leave.
I am not sure that...
Field of Dreams
The Music Man
The Bridges of Madison County
...and the other well-known films set in Iowa are too flattering to the state, either.
Falling for an obvious con man isn't the best look. And to quote from The Music Man...
Oh, there's nothing halfway
About the Iowa way to treat you,
When we treat you
Which we may not do at all.
There's an Iowa kind of special
Chip-on-the-shoulder attitude.
We've never been without.
That we recall.
We can be cold
As our falling thermometers in December
If you ask about our weather in July.
And we're so by God stubborn
We could stand touchin' noses
For a week at a time
And never see eye-to-eye.
Off topic, but I'll never forgive Clint Eastwood for being in one of those films, although he was a man about town when he was here filming it.
Problem is we have more info now then just blind resumes. His recruiting dried up at the end. Be it for lack of trying or other schools were gobbling up the premier transfers but he isn't going to get the same type of players as he was earlier in his tenure. Also look at his track record at Nebraska. Can't ignore these data points.
Eliminate the box score and actual results, and Prohm is doing a great job. No need for change. Prohm‘s a nice guy. Record is inconsequential.
If Steve Prohm can get recruits to Ames, and Fred can get recruits to Lincoln, I'm guessing Fred will be able to get recruits to Ames a second time.
As it's been said before in here, I don't think getting recruits is the issue. Who's the last Iowa St bball coach that wasn't able to get recruits to Ames? Consistently getting them, retaining them, and developing them is the key.
CycloneErik
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You know who was good at developing them? Fred Hoiberg.
Go ask Georges and Monte and Matt Thomas and Duly who most helped them get to where they are today. They were decent recruits but they didn’t come in as guys that were definitely going to stick in the league. Answer: Fred and/or TJ.
And as much as “developing” matters putting the players in a position to succeed matters just as much. Fred did that, too.
What if someone were wasted, but not talented? Asking for a friend
Tim Floyd was also great at Idaho and New Orleans before he got here.
and even though his record was horrific, he also got a second nba job with New Orleans, and made the playoffs there
TJ got good talent here in the McD era, so I don't think anybody is worried about getting players to ISU under TJ. Prohm hasn't had a problem getting talent to ISU either. Not surprisingly, because it's UNLV, like every coach there, TJ gets talent to UNLV.
The problem is more this:
Recruiting class rankings in the MWC
2020: 1.UNLV, 5.USU, 6. CSU
2021: 1.UNLV, 6. CSU, 8. USU
MWC Standings
2019-20: 2. USU, 4. UNLV, 6.CSU
2020-21: 2.CSU, 3.USU, 7.UNLV
I get that is a superficial view, but it is a legitimate reason for a preference for Smith or Medved over TJ. It would be one thing if all of these schools traditionally recruited at similar levels and TJ started blowing away the other two in recruiting. But that just isn't the case. UNLV has always had better talent than USU and CSU, usually by a large margin.
He also didn't take over a crap UNLV team. They were 11-7, finished 5th and returned several guys.
With all that said, I would be happy with TJ. He is an established recruiter that will ensure we have solid talent. He has done fine at SDSU and UNLV. Not great, but we also have to keep in mind he's relatively new to being a HC and is still learning. He's an unknown in a power conference, but so is anybody we are likely to get, unless Grandma is right and Fred's a possibility.
Personally I think Medved will end up being a better power conference coach than Smith or TJ, but he's also the biggest unknown, so who knows.
But what if he didn’t have any other options? You can’t really blame him for people choosing other coaches.
he’s taken what he’s had available to him.
Fred was linked to a few jobs way better than Nebraska, however he didn't like them due to a variety of reasons, 1 being location.
Why wouldn’t he have other options? Not having options likely means you are not a successful coach. Successful Coaches always are being sought.
