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That makes sense. Harris got a little happy trigger too, but somebody had to try to score other than Bolton, so I don't place too much criticism there.
There were undoubtedly some bad shots taken. But I imagine Bolton and Harris looked around and figured "welp, if no one else here is going to score I may as well give it a go".
I'm certainly not arguing he was expected to be anything like those two guys, don't think anyone really is. But he absolutely could have (should have!) been a McKay type, and would have had more time in the system to learn some other skills - rebound better, maybe a 3pt shot, idk.
Instead we've asked him to do everything he is bad at, and scold him for doing what he is naturally good at. THAT seems to be what CSP specializes in wrt player development.
"You are a terrible shooter with dreadful form? Well, then fire away Nix! I am sure eventually you will hoist up two in a row with the same technique!"
"Kind of a lose handle there, huh, Rasir? Well, let's make you the point guard! You'll get the hang of it sooner or later!"
"Solo, you're a little undersized, so let's have you body up whatever 280lb monster Kansas is putting out there tonight! That will help you learn to be taller!"
"Lindell you had a great freshmen year. Dynamic scorer with a bunch of upside. I think I like the role of 25 mpg 6th man for you."
'Cameron, seems like less is more and you're at your best when you're just out there playing basketball, so here's a bunch of things to think about when or if you're out there.'
*I realize there were other things that kept him from being a bigger part and ultimately it was up to him, but when the chance arose he was a shell of his first year.
And I know that Solo had his hand injury, but since CSP admitted to not playing him enough earlier in 2016-17:
'Solomon, even though we just need SOMEBODY in the middle to help this this roster of fairly regular NBA players, you need to earn your minutes instead of learning by playing'.
Lard was checked out mentally that year. I dont blame him though, guy averafed almost a double-double as a freshman in the best conference in basketball. He paid his dues then when he is cleared for full participation, Prohm still decides to hold a grudge against him the rest of the year.
He did the same thing with Talley that year who could have been a solid contributer off the bench.
Same issues with McKay in 2016. Prohm gets paid to win basketball games and put players in the best possible situations to succeed, not be a school guidance counselor.
CycloneErik
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We're due for a weird suspension right about now.
Bolton suspended indefinitely for writing Prohm stinks on the whiteboard in the locker room.
Cam was not good his SO year. He kind of looked like George Conditt now. Incredible foul rate and horrible attitude/body language the entire time he was out there. Not sure what it about Prohm's culture, but something obviously lacks big time. If you are deemed to have poor character, you don't play in some of these guys cases. Not sure what it is about GC, other than he just has not progressed.
Lard didn’t play because he smoked weed all day in his apartment (apparently in the nude a lot too) and played video games. He was late/didn’t show up to practices and didn’t put forth a lot of effort. That’s coming from a first hand account from one of his teammates. I’ve never been a fan of Prohm, but he did everything imaginable to help Lard but Lard just couldn’t see the light. Prohm deserves a lot of credit for trying to help Lard.
Thanks Captain Obvious, everyone is well aware why he didn't play. My problem is the way Prohm handled him, along with Talley and McKay.
Either kick them off the team or let them play the minutes they deserve. Putting them in for 2 minutes at a time, then never seeing the floor again, while other players can continue with horrible, lazy, team last oriented basketball is not the way to motivate players with behavioral issues.
That is not what you said at all. You said he payed his dues and Prohm punished him for it. He didnt pay his dues. He was lazy, smoked weed all day and didn’t put anywhere near the time and effort as everyone else on the team. He shouldn’t have played period.
Him and Talley were both suspended, then allowed back on the team. So you're telling me Prohm suspended both of them, nothing changed at all, and Prohm just let them come back with no change in behavior? I dont believe that for one second. If they hadn't made progress he would have kicked them off the team.
I keep finding myself having to type things that sound like I'm supporting CSP, but the inaccurate BS isn't needed. Lard played and got multiple fouls essentially EVERY TIME HE PLAYED! He couldn't stay on the court!
Snarky and stupid.
He also wouldn’t have played Lard so much against Ohio State if his issues were really that bad. Meaning I think the whole “Lard was a bad teammate and cancer to the program” talk was so overhyped. He was eligible to play and Prohm didn’t play him. Lard wasn’t perfect by any means but if you play the guy, I’m sure his overall attitude is going to be way better. Prohm played him as a freshman and Lard seemed to stay out of trouble. Starting sitting a guy for little reasons and it’s hard to reel him back in. That team could have been so dangerous if Haliburton, Wigginton, THT, Shayok and Lard were given the freedom to play together. Jacobson and NWB are perfect bench guys if you ask me.
Some of our best teams under hoiberg smoked a ton of weed, at least according to a friend who lived in the same building with some of them. Usually had better games if theyd been smoking the night before.
Everyone knows why Lard, Talley, and McKay were in the doghouse and other guys with the same issues thrived under Hoiberg.
