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Negative ghost riderI'm going to guess you've only been a fan since you were a student, and that wasn't very long ago...
To this day, I still don't understand why Jim Walden was allowed to have leash that long. The guy sucked.
Your last questions is interesting. They were both bad and both good at the same things. They both could XO a great game plan for a one game situation, but neither one of them saw the big picture about growing a program like Majors, Bruce and Campbell. Mac was more of a program builder but not what I would call an XO guy. BTW, one of the reasons I did not like Paul Rhoads (as a HC not as a man) was that I saw the similarities with Walden from when I was in school.Probably because for the first 3-4 years he was coaching a team short on scholarship players due to NCAA sanctions, and because his team practiced on a grass parking lot. He still had a winning record in his third year. It would be interesting to see what would have happened to ISU football if Walden had taken the Arizona job offer after his third year at ISU.
Gene Smith nearly spent the ISU AD into bankruptcy for McCarney, and it took DM six years to get a winning record. Max Urich, the AD while Walden was coaching, was never going to spend like that. ISU baseball (and to a lesser extend, men's gymnastics, and men's tennis) eventually paid the price.
Why is Walden any worse than Rhoads? They have very similar records, and Rhoads had much better facilities and AD to work with.
Probably because for the first 3-4 years he was coaching a team short on scholarship players due to NCAA sanctions, and because his team practiced on a grass parking lot. He still had a winning record in his third year. It would be interesting to see what would have happened to ISU football if Walden had taken the Arizona job offer after his third year at ISU.
Gene Smith nearly spent the ISU AD into bankruptcy for McCarney, and it took DM six years to get a winning record. Max Urich, the AD while Walden was coaching, was never going to spend like that. ISU baseball (and to a lesser extend, men's gymnastics, and men's tennis) eventually paid the price.
Why is Walden any worse than Rhoads? They have very similar records, and Rhoads had much better facilities and AD to work with.
Blaise Bryant was really good, and Mike Busch was an All-American in both Football and Baseball. Plus, Walden recruited Troy Davis, but he didn't let him play much as a Freshman "because he didn't know the playbook". When he did play, he was electric. When Mac came in, he told Troy "I'm giving you the ball!" The rest is history. Not a Walden fan, but he had a few notable players.Definitely a perception over stats. While Walden had his upsets, I think many of us thought his losses were blowouts and not competitive, whereas Rhoads had a lot more "moral victories". I don't recall notable players in Walden's era, just Bob Utter getting killed in the triple option. Plus Walden gave us the 0-10-1 season.
Lol, Gene Chizik.
Lol, Gene Chizik.
He made those zany posters with Johnny.
Definitely a perception over stats. While Walden had his upsets, I think many of us thought his losses were blowouts and not competitive, whereas Rhoads had a lot more "moral victories". I don't recall notable players in Walden's era, just Bob Utter getting killed in the triple option. Plus Walden gave us the 0-10-1 season.
I didn't mean that as a put down, I hope you didn't take it that way.Negative ghost rider
Definitely a perception over stats. While Walden had his upsets, I think many of us thought his losses were blowouts and not competitive, whereas Rhoads had a lot more "moral victories". I don't recall notable players in Walden's era, just Bob Utter getting killed in the triple option. Plus Walden gave us the 0-10-1 season.