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Discussion in 'Football' started by psychlones, Oct 21, 2019.
Lol, Gene Chizik.
Negative ghost rider
actually, that was definitely an administration and max urick problem.
they screwed him on Steve Lester. And the facilities bottomed out during his tenure. his recruiting budget was the same his 8th year as it was when he took the job.
They said go be funny, but we’re not going to give you any money. Pete Taylor loved Jim Walden.
they spent more money on football for McCarney to be bad, before he ever coached a game, than they did the last 5 years Walden was at Iowa State.
Your last questions is interesting. They were both bad and both good at the same things. They both could XO a great game plan for a one game situation, but neither one of them saw the big picture about growing a program like Majors, Bruce and Campbell. Mac was more of a program builder but not what I would call an XO guy. BTW, one of the reasons I did not like Paul Rhoads (as a HC not as a man) was that I saw the similarities with Walden from when I was in school.
Meanwhile, Campbell is very similar to Bruce. Bruce built on Majors' foundation, and ISU became a solid program during his tenure. Unfortunately, losing Bruce set ISU back two decades with the multiple bad hires that followed. I sure like where ISU is now, and I believe that Matt Campbell can and will take ISU to places they have not been before (10 wins, Big Xii Championship Game and / or NY6 Bowls). Build it, and they will come! ISU has built it (stadium, facility, etc. upgrades), and they are coming!
Looking forward to Saturday. I have always thought that Homecoming was a hokey event, but after 24 years away and finally back in Iowa, I am taking this Homecoming personally! I've been to all of the home games (even with the bad weather). I mention this, as I became "soft" living in other parts of the country and started avoiding foul weather games. Now, that I am back home in Iowa, I will not miss any games due to weather just like it was when I lived here the first time from 1989-95.
Let's Go State!
Definitely a perception over stats. While Walden had his upsets, I think many of us thought his losses were blowouts and not competitive, whereas Rhoads had a lot more "moral victories". I don't recall notable players in Walden's era, just Bob Utter getting killed in the triple option. Plus Walden gave us the 0-10-1 season.
Blaise Bryant was really good, and Mike Busch was an All-American in both Football and Baseball. Plus, Walden recruited Troy Davis, but he didn't let him play much as a Freshman "because he didn't know the playbook". When he did play, he was electric. When Mac came in, he told Troy "I'm giving you the ball!" The rest is history. Not a Walden fan, but he had a few notable players.
The worst coach in the modern era history of Iowa State Football. And that's saying something.
Looks like he is firmly entrenched at the bottom of that list.
Lol, I didnt realize Rhodes was approaching Walden-level bad. It seemed like he had some good teams here, alot better than Walden's, yet still pathetic.
I have two of the Bartles and James knock offs in my poster collection!
Stapleton didn't have a winning record, but went on to be the AD that hired Majors. I also seem to remember that he tried to get Barry Switzer to ISU before he took over as HC at OU.
there was a whole lot of spin and pr from his successor that led to that perception though.
obviously he had to go, but the idea that he was the pariah the Mac people said he was is part of myth and legend.
I didn't mean that as a put down, I hope you didn't take it that way.
The only unknown watching the offense during those years was which direction Utter was going to run before being tackled after one or two yards. On the plus side, you could get in free at halftime to watch terrible football.
If you pull out McCarney's first four years (9-35), he has a .450 winning percentage.
They had to basically build from nothing when he started and it was a tough road out of the hole that had been dug since the early 80's.