The meat vs. plant based diet debate always takes a goofy turn when individuals start throwing out the suffering animal/cafo/big ag angle. Protein is pretty much the same in plant or animal until additional animo acids and other elements found in meat protein that are not available in plants are brought up by scientists. Studies have shown that brain development is diminished in children on a strict plant based diet due to the non availability of these elements. And for the suffering animal argument, the reason the economics of confinement work so well is because the animal is not suffering and is able to maximize it's genetic potential to the fullest.
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Since every vegetarian you've ever met was non-GMO and only ate organic, I guess that applies to everyone everywhere then.
We've been genetically modifying plants since the beginning of time to increase yields. The GMO and organic labels are nothing more than a marketing ploy that create an unnecessary stigma.
Congrats, you've met a vegetarian who doesn't believe in non-GMO or organic products.
Just trying to help people realize that stereotypes don't always apply
I'm sure you don't appreciate when you are wrongly placed into a "box"
I've been to a hog confinement. Don't tell me those animals aren't suffering.
When I was younger maybe a little, but honestly at this point in my life I couldn't give a **** less. Chalk it up to undeserved confidence through basic experience.
Yep, I’ve read reports that one of the largest factors in climate change here in the Midwest is grain/soy production. The high populations used are creating higher moisture events and higher temps. Increasing land for corn/soy/wheat will have a negative outcome if climate change is your biggest concern.
My children and I will continue to hunt for years and years. I like the taste of venison and the peacefulness and anticipation of hunting. I also like to fish and I just think your timeline may be a little skewed. Don't get me wrong, but there is no way it will happen in our lifetimes.
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I don't have much tolerance for ignorance at the level of "all vegetarians are non-GMO and only eat organics"
I could see this happening for ground beef and a lot of the beef that goes into processed foods.
But for higher quality cuts i think the 'real' thing will always have its place.
One could argue there's plenty that's not necessarily 'natural' about our beef production. The average weight of cattle didnt exactly get hundreds of pounds larger on its own. Which has had its own downsides.
I agree, however you said we'll be done eating animals and that is not the case.
I could very much see this happening.
How much of the "suffering" is a matter of perception on our part as it looks bad to us?
Are humans not natural, either? I’m guessing the average size of American adult has seen a very similar growth pattern.
I would consider increased genetics, better nutrition, better care-taking, better facilities, etc to all be natural changes that we have made to increase the average size of a slaughtered cow.
The packers drove the size increase, looking for cattle that would be larger to “maximize the hook” that the carcass hangs on in the slaughter house - a 900 lb carcass and 700 lb carcass have similar fixed costs, so it’s more profitable to process the larger animal. We have reached that maximum now and you actually get docked for carcasses over a certain weight, so I’m guessing the industry will adjust/has adjusted to stop the growth for now.
I forget the specific plant, but the hog carcasses were increasing enough that the rails finally broke due to excess weight.
This comment is interesting to me because I used to be there but now I view this in the opposite direction.
From my current perspective on healthy eating, there is really not a lot that is healthy when looking at the makeup of tacos and ESPECIALLY spaghetti other than the animal protein…and you are essentially removing that.
Not a doctor and not disparaging you, just making an observation based on where I’m currently at (i.e.…I’m currently following ketogenic/carnivore way of eating).
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