It did not take a basketball genius to see Solomon (6'8" 240) was probably going to give us more on the inside than Darrell Bowie (6'7" 220 and only a marginal Big 12 player at best) and Merrill Holden (6'8" 215 and absolutely not a Big 12 player).
Will Prohm ever win a championship?
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It did not take a basketball genius to see Solomon (6'8" 240) was probably going to give us more on the inside than Darrell Bowie (6'7" 220 and only a marginal Big 12 player at best) and Merrill Holden (6'8" 215 and absolutely not a Big 12 player).
Success is not always positively linear. This is not unique to ISU. I think your expectations are slightly misplaced.
It also does not mean that brighter days are ahead for ISU MBB.
Less than 15 minutes which is a little longer than I expected. Kind of disappointed he won't answer my question though.
You write this, but then continue to crap on the Sweet 16 team because they won 10 conference games instead of 11 and didn't beat a 5 seed to get to the Sweet 16. Make. Up. Your. Mind. Be. Consistent!
Which is why it was weird that they started so many games. (yeah he missed a few games with injury, yada yada).
The actual data disagrees and somewhat significantly. That's no match for something as scientific as a seed line, I realize, but it disagrees.
I wouldn't start questioning others intellectual capacity and then point to numbers assigned by people through a very flawed system as the best metric for performance measurement.
I’m not asserting anything about you in particular. I’m commenting that the preseason expectation narrative is more commonly used as a coping mechanism than it is by those claiming the season did not live up to expectations, which is a symptom of mismanaged expectations imo.
Starting a true freshman with limited experience, and one who was not really a very high-end recruit when he came in (only a 86.5% on 24-7) on a senior-heavy team when you brought in two graduate transfers explicitly for that role is not an easy call.
And, as you said, add to that that freshman missed a lot of PT and practice with injuries.
He made the right one in the end. That team went on a roll at that point.
Georges, Monté, Naz, Matt, and Deonte bought into whatever Prohm is selling. That tells me the most about what I need to know about the current regime heading the program.
Prohm is not a flawless coach. But he has the program about where Fred left it on his own. Compared to what came before this era, I think we are in a pretty good spot.
That preseason ranking assumed a healthy Mitrou-Long. McKay's discipline issues cost that team some wins, too. While I think it's fine to pin that on something Prohm has to manage, I don't know the story.
If Naz had been out the start of the season, it's likely that team is outside the top 12 preseason, which means a #4 seed matches that expectation.
I'm interested to see what ISU teams did not underachieve in your opinion. By your standards I have to believe every team of Orr's underachieved. Probably all of Floyd's as well. The three years Larry missed the tourney have to be considered underachievements as well. 8 and 10 seeds and not making it out of the first weekend in Fred's second and third years have to be. Royce, Babb, Tyrus, Ejim, Allen, Scotty C., Clyburn, Lucious etc. over the course those two seasons is too much talent to be sneaking into the tournament, right? Fred's last year had too much talent to be losing in the first round for sure right? Seems like the past 75 years of basketball is three good seasons and 72 that either sucked or at least underacheived.
I agree with this. Basing expectations on the preseason rankings is difficult because there are so many things that can happen during the course of a season that can lead to under or over performance (injuries, team chemistry, stochastic events, players playing above their expectations, etc.). My main point was was if you were assess a season, I would not chose preseason to final coaches/media rankings as a reliable a metric.
So you think seeds assigned by a combination of humans and computers is flawed? What do yo want, strictly computers?
Thats fine, but these are the same computers who think Nebraska and Penn State are just as good as TCU and Baylor this year.
Actually, those "computers" "think" Baylor and TCU are better than Nebraska and Penn State.
Oh really? Weird how Nebraska is ahead of both of them in this ranking, even weirder Penn State is 2 spots below Baylor. You honestly think anybody who watches college basketball thinks Penn State is better than Baylor?
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Honey. Just stop. You’re embarrassing yourself. Seriously.
Wait until you see how good they are when Fred takes over.
