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EarthIsMan said:
Sorry, but if you are Butler once you get #21 to the ground you have to let him go. You don’t reposition to put your knees into another player’s chest or throat.

I don’t quite see the Butler’s legs getting hooked either.

Sure, I love seeing a player defend a teammate, but I have high character expectations for ISU and they lost their composure a bit.
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It's also important to see the whole play in context. When you watch the play from the beginning, Butler looks like the victim.

Butler pancakes him, all with the Baylor player getting fist-fulls of his jersey. Then as soon as he pancakes him the DB wraps his arm around his leg.

I think it's pretty clear from the two plays in context that Baylor was inciting ****.
 
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OnlyCyclones said:
It's also important to see the whole play in context. When you watch the play from the beginning, Butler looks like the victim.

Butler pancakes him, all with the Baylor player getting fist-fulls of his jersey. Then as soon as he pancakes him the DB wraps his arm around his leg.

I think it's pretty clear from the two plays in context that Baylor was inciting ****.
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I’ll say it again.

DM and Butler were the targets.
 
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Im4State said:
F-IN-A... I hate Baylor. Scum of the conference. Totally were coached to target our stars and disrupt our flow. Great teaching moment for Campbell and Co with our players. People are afraid of ISU these days and no doubt others will attempt similar things in the future. Wish we could've scored a few more on them but I hope HB and DM come back next year just to go to Waco and hang 60 on them! :)
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It's funny how the teams that feel their place in the pecking order most threatened by ISU are those that can't lose with even an ounce of grace. WVU, Baylor, and to a lesser extent, Tech. It's entitlement culture, combined with a lack of class. If WVU or Baylor were winning those games, there'd be no post-game whining from Holgo, no brawl from Baylor. Instead, their frustration from not getting the result they believe they're entitled to against Iowa State makes them butthurt. You see the same thing from Texas, and probably will see it again on Saturday if Iowa State's in a position to win.
 
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ArgentCy said:
The Baylor guy jumped on an official to slap Montgomery. If that's not instigating I don't know what is. But besides that he threw 3 or 4 punches to David's sort of one in response. I love how pissed the cop was and essentially threw the Baylor guy out of the game. Screw officials I've seen enough and you're out of here.
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Cops can be some tough dudes. They just react. It doesn't matter if the other guy is half a foot taller, fifty pounds heavier, and wearing body armor. And more often than not they coolly diffuse the situation. One of my closest friends fits that to a "T." I appreciate that mindset, because that's not me.
 
If there is not a huge discrepancy in punishment between the Baylor trash and DM then that is encouraging the old hockey goon strategy.
I actually think DM will still have to sit out half of UT and Roberts from BU gets an extra game.
 
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EarthIsMan said:
Sorry, but if you are Butler once you get #21 to the ground you have to let him go. You don’t reposition to put your knees into another player’s chest or throat.

Edit: I don’t quite see the Butler’s legs getting hooked to point where he could have NOT released himself from #21 either.

Sure, I love seeing a player defend a teammate, but I have high character expectations for ISU and they lost their composure a bit.
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How can you not see the DB grabbing both of Butler's legs? Butler didn't do anything except pancake his guy.
 
AuH2O said:
If there is not a huge discrepancy in punishment between the Baylor trash and DM then that is encouraging the old hockey goon strategy.
I actually think DM will still have to sit out half of UT and Roberts from BU gets an extra game.
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At least that big of difference.

But Bob is as corrupt as they come.
 
cyrocksmypants said:
People are claiming they don’t see DM taking a swing either. They’re seeing whatever biased view their Cardinal or non-cardinal colored glasses are allowing them to see.
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It really wasn’t much of a punch. More like a push with one arm. Offensive linemen do as much with their hands every play. And Greg Roberts kept charging at him and punching. David Montgomery was just standing his ground.
 
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cyrocksmypants said:
People are claiming they don’t see DM taking a swing either. They’re seeing whatever biased view their Cardinal or non-cardinal colored glasses are allowing them to see.
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Stormin said:
It really wasn’t much of a punch. More like a push with one arm. Offensive linemen do as much with their hands every play. And Greg Roberts kept charging at him and punching. David Montgomery was just standing his ground.
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See?
 
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cyrocksmypants said:
People are claiming they don’t see DM taking a swing either. They’re seeing whatever biased view their Cardinal or non-cardinal colored glasses are allowing them to see.
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Are talking after the Butler incident or after the Gatorade table pile? He appears to swing from his back after the Gatorade table situation.

Repeating but the refs allowing play to go on without warning after that was just bad on them.
 
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I see why you see what you see. You are the one who refuses to see why people don’t agree. It isn’t bias. It is a realistic look at what is deemed a punch. It is clearly a shot but I see a two handed shove. Every game there are similar shots on the line. We can all argue semantics but the semantics aren’t really relevant. The legality has nothing to do with punch vs shove. It has to do with at what point is a player allowed to defend himself.
 
EarthIsMan said:
Sorry, but if you are Butler once you get #21 to the ground you have to let him go. You don’t reposition to put your knees into another player’s chest or throat.

Edit: I don’t quite see the Butler’s legs getting hooked to point where he could have NOT released himself from #21 either.

Sure, I love seeing a player defend a teammate, but I have high character expectations for ISU and they lost their composure a bit.
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You're not looking at HB's right leg getting hooked as he's getting up as well as his left.
 
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Miller, #3 for Baylor, should draw a suspension after the conference reviews the scuffle. After DM and Roberts are separated and most everybody else had began to calm down, he tries to start it back up with a cheap shot punch to the helmet of one of the Cyclones who wasn't threatening anyone.
 
EvilBetty said:
Lots of people looking through cardinal colored lenses on here. I must have missed the amazon sale.

DM lost his composure, got into a fight and was rightfully ejected. The rules are pretty clear here. It doesn't matter who started it or what any other player did. He simply needs to be smarter than that and if you asked him I'd be he'd probably say the same. He hurt his team Sat. and his loss will hurt the team next week too.

The last thing this team needs is for someone like DM to take a swing at a guy wearing a helmet and break his hand. Fist fights against people wearing helmets are inherently stupid no matter how you slice it.
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Give me a break. Montgomery had just been pushed into a table 5 yards out of bounds. His teammate is then jumped. And to top it off, a Baylor player takes a swing at him. I have no issue with him defending himself. He deserved to be ejected, but I'm not buying the sanctimonious "he needs to be smarter" BS.

Baylor is a trash program and a trash school. The way it all happened makes me wonder if they didn't have some instructions from their coaches to "shake things up". They looked way too comfortable brawling and jawing despite getting their asses handed to them. Losers.
 
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