I think Rudolph is a lot better than people think he's gonna be. It wouldn't surprise me if he is a guy that gets groomed for a couple years and then has some successI'd take Rudolph before Mayfield.
I think Rudolph is a lot better than people think he's gonna be. It wouldn't surprise me if he is a guy that gets groomed for a couple years and then has some successI'd take Rudolph before Mayfield.
I'm just curious as to what QB will do the best in the future:
Darnold
Allen
Rosen
Mayfield
Jackson
Rudolph
I don't like any of them as the top overall pick, but it's a QB driven league so I understand teams are going to reach. If I'm ranking the guys above it'd go:
1. Darnold - Highest floor of any player in the group. Tough smart kid who's used to the spotlight and has shown good leadership qualities. Can make all the throws. Turnovers are a concern but I think that's a byproduct of inexperience and trying to force plays for his team. All coachable stuff.
2. Jackson - I love his skill set. You just can't teach that kind of athleticism. And he'll be extra motivated to prove all the doubters wrong. There are some accuracy issues there, but I think he has the highest ceiling in the group.
3. Rosen - I think the narrative has gotten out of hand with him. He has the best pocket presence and awareness of the group, and he might be the most accurate passer (it's him or Mayfield). I don't worry about his attitude or commitment; I just think he's a curious person and not afraid to speak his mind. Nothing wrong with that. My big worry with him is durability. It seems like he was always dinged up at UCLA. The pass rushers are only going to be bigger, faster and stronger at the next level. Can he stay on the field?
4. Mayfield - Super accurate. Mobility is a plus, and I like his ability to extend a play. I just don't like his attitude. I worry about him rubbing veteran teammates the wrong way if and when he struggles as a rookie. And any QB coming out of a spread system is going to be a big question mark. NFL coaches are still learning how to coach those guys and tailor their systems to accommodate what those QBs can and can't do.
5. Allen - Not a fan. Works hard and from what I've heard teams love his attitude and demeanor. And he can throw it to the moon. But he's way too inaccurate for my liking, and while that can be coached up some, generally guys don't make drastic improvements from college to the pros. You can either put the ball on the money or you can't.
6. Rudolph - Solid developmental prospect. I wouldn't burn a first round pick on him and I certainly wouldn't throw him to the wolves right away. Maybe with a couple years sitting and watching he could become a competent starter.
Vikings fan.
Hoping for James Daniels or Billy Price at #30.
Heard a breakdown of Mayfield this morning on ESPN radio, they were saying comparisons to Russell Wilson are off-base because Wilson is much faster than Mayfield, who ran a 4.8. So how is he going to outrun NFL defenders where you have edge guys who run 4.5. Then they tried comparing his game to Brees, but that didn't work because Mayfield's game has never been from the pocket. They were making a lot of sense. And they touched on your point with his attitude and how 35-year-old men were not going to take kindly to the 'rah-rah' antics of a 22-year-old coming in trying rev them up the same way he revved up 20-year old college players.
Mayfield's game is EXACTLY like Russell Wilson IMO, only slower. So I'm not sure what that gives you?
Watching Mayfield the past couple years, he isn't fast, but he's quick enough to buy time in the pocket. Similar to Aaron Rogers. His height concerns me more than his agility.Neither do I. That was their point. His game is like Wilson's, but Wilson runs (or ran I guess) a 4.5, much faster than Mayfield. So if Mayfield goes out and tries to play a similar game to Wilson he's in big trouble because he won't be able to elude or outrun NFL defenders the way Wilson can.
Colts fan here. I'm hoping Quenton Nelson falls to them at six. If he's gone by then I think their move might be to trade down again with a QB needy team like the Bills, Cardinals or Dolphins. I've heard rumors about the Pats wanting to move way up to snag their next QB of the future, but I don't imagine Chris Ballard will want to do business with them after the McDaniels fiasco.
Darnold has the highest ceiling. Allen is an almost guaranteed bust. A big arm with no accuracy. Whoever drafts him will regret drafting him and be at the bottom of the league for a few years. He has browns written all over him.
Neither do I. That was their point. His game is like Wilson's, but Wilson runs (or ran I guess) a 4.5, much faster than Mayfield. So if Mayfield goes out and tries to play a similar game to Wilson he's in big trouble because he won't be able to elude or outrun NFL defenders the way Wilson can.
Agreed. I've seen a lot of comps to Big Ben (big body, big arm, small school), but Ben was waaay more accurate. In my opinion the Browns should take Darnold, but it's the Browns so they will probably take Allen or Mayfield.
I don't really care for any of these 4 ....
I think Mason Rudolph has just as much chance at succeeding in the NFL as any of these guys.
With the talk of the Pack in negotiations with Dez Bryant, I wonder if they go after offensive lineman. I know teddy liked Bulaga, but not so much the coaches due to always being injuries. And teddy brought what he wanted in, not what the coach wanted. They also need to find the qb after Rodgers. Is he in this draft or not?