Jackson was 4/7 from three and scored 19.
Lard and Wigginton each had 16.
But yeah, outside of those three on offense, that was some ugly defense.
We got hosed by good passing and shooting.
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Jackson was 4/7 from three and scored 19.
Lard and Wigginton each had 16.
But yeah, outside of those three on offense, that was some ugly defense.
We got hosed by good passing and shooting.
Pretty funny how we have struggled to get capable posts in our program and it now appears that we have three potentially solid posts and we are arguing about benching one of them. If all three are good, it should allow us to play all of them a lot, keep them out of foul trouble and keep them fresh. Big thing is they need to all keep improving.
Here are some numbers from their first two seasons, obviously Young's isn't finished.
Solomon Young
15/16: PER: 13.3 RB%: 10.5 Ast% .3 Stl%1.2 Blk% 4.7
16/17: PER 13.6 RB%: 11.9 Ast% 6.0 Stl%1.7 Blk% 2.5
Total:: PER 13.4 RB%s 11.1 Ast% 2.9 Stl%1.4 Blk% 3.7
Michael Jacobson
15/16 PER: 16.3 RB%: 13.8 Ast% 4.9 Stl%1.7 Blk% 5.1
16/17 PER: 14.8 RB%: 14.1 Ast % 8.3 Stl%1.8 Blk% 3.8
Total: PER : 15.5 RB% 14.0 Ast% 6.8 Stl% 1.8 Blk% 4.4
Why do you think Young has a higher upside?
With Shayok coming from UVa he should be a competent defender, which is what we need more than anything.
A lot of talk in the lineup threads about going small next year, but our offense isn’t that big of problem. Do we have a small that can defend a big well enough to make the advantage on offense work? Maybe Shayok? Of course last night we got torched defensively at every position due to our continued suspect team defense. How much that improves next year will largely determine our success.
A lot of talk in the lineup threads about going small next year, but our offense isn’t that big of problem. Do we have a small that can defend a big well enough to make the advantage on offense work? Maybe Shayok? Of course last night we got torched defensively at every position due to our continued suspect team defense. How much that improves next year will largely determine our success.
I disagree. The offense isn't as big of problem as the defense but it isn't that far behind. This is the worst offense ISU has had since Fred's first year.
Fred needed great offenses to offset the poor defense. It’s not only what we are the worse at, it’s what we should be good at. Would Huggins be 1-5 with this group?
No I'm not forgetting those guys. I just didn't want to list them because they are really good lol. KU will clearly be the best team again.
Cyclonepride
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I think the added depth next year will lead to more intensity overall with less heavy minute players (throughout the season, as an average), and I think the heavy minute players in any given game will be based on match ups.
Agreed. The game experience of next years roster will be a huge boost as well.
That said, Prohm has his work cut out for him to find the rotations. Seem to have plenty of capable players available.
We say this often but it usually doesn’t turn out that way. Players 8-10 usually aren’t as good as we expect them to be. Prohm usually settles in on a 7-8 man rotation and a squad like ISU is rarely going to have more guys than that who can play winning basketball in the B12.
Hopefully we simply have upgraded talent at at least 2-3 spots in our top 7/8.
Why does this thread keep getting bumped? Is this like a back-up QB thread? Guy isn't playing yet but everyone can't stop talking about him when the current player isn't doing very good.
This season has not gone so well. Might as well lark about next year, right?
Tell that to St. Mary's, who just beat #13 Gonzaga on the road by riding their traditional center who scored 26 points on 12/15 shooting, almost all being post ups. Just because you see it less often doesn't mean it's not effective. If you get someone with that skill set, you go with it.I'm with you on this. If he doesn't develop his skill set, which he very well could, he could see the bench a lot next year. To be brutally honest, he's the type of player he is isn't nearly as valuable as it used to be. The argument for him is defense and rebounding, but he's not a rim protector and out of zone rebounder like Lard, and he's not a big threat from three.
Scoring on post-ups is one of the least efficient ways to score in basketball. Accordingly, offenses have gone away from that "traditional" style of offense, making the ability to defend the dribble and switch out on the perimeter.
The game has changed, guys. Big men are eurostepping now. Time to leave the 90s
Solomon hasn't ever proven himself in the Big 10.
We could send him down to the Iowa Conference for a while and see how he matches up with Luther and Wartburg....pretty much the same thing.
Yeah, I agree with you here. There are a few out there like Landale, and Jahlil Okafor back in the day. Lard with his back to the basket is maybe our best option in the half court. It's the same way with mid-range. It's generally not the best way to score, but there are specific guys like DeRozan and potentially Wigginton who are pretty darn good at it. It's just that on the whole, they aren't as effective as other options.
CycloneErik
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I don' think Jacobson holds Bamba to 10 points and Azubuike to 9 points
