Kansas

[WIBadger]

Fire him and do what, though? At some point you need to get some consistency and let someone try to build a program. Especially after you've spent so much money firing coaches in recent years. Would be really tough to find a young guy from a decent program to make the move to KU's head coach position at this point when it is seen as a coaching graveyard.

Just try and get someone else (that's why I included the finances part, I'm not sure if they financially could at this point). I completely agree they need consistency; you can't judge solely based on results because that is a destroyed program and it is going to take a long time to rebuild. But I think it's fair to expect that you should be showing some form of improvement and I don't think they are at this point.

 

[jkclone]

I will have to rewatch the game because we had to watch at a BWWs on the road but I don’t think the program is in as bad of shape as people think. Kansas has a longer way to go but I think our resurgence has hurt them too. With the meat grinder of the Big 12 you can’t build when there aren’t teams comparable to you.

I also think the program versus the scheme is different. I think maybe without fully analyzing their performance against us they need new coordinators while keeping Beaty.

 

[MeanDean]

I think Mangino would've always ended badly for the Jayhawks, one way or the other. The final nail was Charlie Weis coming in after Gill got the quick hook and taking a couple mil to run off a third of the team and stand around doing absolutely nothing but collecting his checks.

The AD thought a big name was all he needed to resurrect the program, but Chuck straight up stole their money. The AD that hired him is still there. I wonder if they have any real base of backers to pull off that $300 million renovation of Memorial. There can't be a lot of confidence from the football boosters in the administration after they've rabbit holed so much money in the past few years and gotten nothing but negative results.

Serious question. Could they be counting on the Adida$ contract funds for a significant portion of those future payments?

 

[Omaha Cy]

I asked around KU forums last year, and their scholarship numbers weren't great due to player attrition with coaching changes. However it's Beaty's 3rd year, so they should be close to getting fully stocked.

Beaty's 2015/2016 classes were primarily HS kids, but I noticed his 2017 class had 9 JUCO players. Very little return from that class so far.

 

[twojman]

Beaty was hired solely as a recruiter. TBH with what they have on the field he probably has recruited better than he should. Watching their team you can see he was hired only as a recruiter as well. They are very poorly coached. I know they have the OC from TCU and they probably need to give them one more year. As weird as it sounds I think their DC is doing some ok things. I know they are getting lit up on the scoreboard but how did ISU score yesterday? Turnovers and special team issues. KU has averaged >2 turnovers per game so that is putting their D in a bad spot.

 

[dirtyninety]

I cannot believe a single Cyclone fan would have any sympathy at all for KU on any level. Cyclophile1 has been around their fan base as much as I apparently.....the "posh" "cocktail party" set that lives in Overland Park and other....these are the extremely abrasive types you see at the basketball games doing their rock chalk stuff. Personally, I cannot even think of KU football without thinking of Mangino doing the dental floss method butt wipe with a towel that was so described on this board.

 

[aeroclone]

If they lose out, the'll have a total of 4 conference game wins dating back to 2010.
Add in the 2009 season, and they'll have 5 conf game wins in 9 seasons. Easily their worst run in program history. All 4 of those wins came @ home. 2010, 2013, 2014, & 2016

From the Cyclone slant, the Criner, Walden, and early Mac years were never THAT bad in conf play. Granted the Big 8 back in those days was basically "3 haves" and "5 have-nots" most years, so wins were easier to come by IMO. Even Terry freaking Allen had a far better showing than KU recently.

I get the impression from the KU fanbase that Beaty might get another year, before they look elsewhere. Perhaps the huge back to back buy-outs for Gill and Weiss are having an affect. This will all negatively impact KU as they have basically lost half a generation worth of KU fans/season ticket holders/etc....similar to what ISU went through in the 80's and 90's. Their not too far off from having 10 classes of students go through there with virtually NO positive KU football experiences. As they get older and have expendable income, it's likely not getting put back into the FB program.

When McCarney started winning and even played Mizzou for a north title(2004?), JTS had 45K-ish in the stands for games that actually mattered. That's the long term affect from a long run of losing games, and losing the fan base.

I think KU is uniquely insulated from the lost generation of fans issue. The success of the basketball team keeps the fanbase and revenues going. It makes for a much different dynamic than ISU where you have had periods with both sports being way down. As soon as the football team starts winning again the KU fans will come crawling back in droves. Fair weather as they come.

 

[Die4Cy]

Serious question. Could they be counting on the Adida$ contract funds for a significant portion of those future payments?

1. Not a lot of people care about the status of KU football.
2. The AD there knows where his bread is buttered: Beaker basketball.
3. They will never be a program that makes a consistent push to win because their donors want the focus to be on basketball. Resources from Self--that program has plenty--will not be given to football.
4. Developing an identity in football takes away from the school legacy in basketball.
5. Anyone interested in the football job also sees and understands these things.
6. Best case scenario is KU upgrades facilities and gets lucky on a coach choice. Occasional success comes their way and coach moves on to job with better focus on football. Repeat.

 

[cycloneworld]

That’s one of the worst teams I’ve seen in person at Jack Trice Stadium in the last decade plus. That includes FBS teams.

For all of the CFB writers that seem to love Beaty and say they are “turning it around” - they have a long, LONG way to go.

 

[Bestaluckcy]

The KU football team reminded me of some ISU teams of years past. They had some athletes (like their d line) but not enough of them. I thought ISU deserved credit for making them look worse than they may be. Our team is taking a step forward this year and it is becoming obvious.

 

[FredCyclone]

Don't need to feel to bad for KU, they have a January Bowl win. I actually feel bad for our fan base which has not yet seen a 10 win season ever.

 

[jkclone]

One thing I think that even we have overlooked is just how good the Big 12 is. This year we have 7 top 35 teams and KState is probably still top 50. How do you build a program against that schedule. I know we always say the Big 12 is tough but I was just thinking about the actual numbers and wow.

Makes the media narrative that much more infuriating.

 

[theshadow]

That is ridiculous, not having won a road game in 8 years.

ISU went from Nov. 1991 (Mizzou) to Sept. 1998 (Iowa) without a road win (0-30-1), and Nov. 1991 to Oct. 1999 (Mizzou again) without a road conference win (0-27-1).

 

[greatshu]

I posted something along these lines earlier. They are getting so bad that I actually feel sorry for them. For as awful as football has been for ISU fans at times, it has never been as consistently bad for us for as long as it has been for them. Not in my memory, anyway. It makes me wonder what it's like to be a fan of KU football. What keeps them going? I'd love to find a legitimate KU football fan so I could ask them, but I just don't think they exist anymore. Most of them likely died in the Flu epidemic of 1920. Then Mangino probably stuffed the last of them up his sizable bottom when he was fired and they haven't been heard from since.

Oh they exist. Some of my friends still believes in KU football.

 

[ISpyCy]

Two more losses and Beaty goes sub .100 for win percentage.

At what point do you walk away from this albatross of a coaching gig an save yourself some years of life?

 

[greatshu]

I think they keep Beatty because they can't afford the buyout. That'd be four coaches in a row they paid to leave. Not to mention the reputation for an administration not giving a guy time despite being the worst school in FBS.

They will want their facility upgrades closer to completion so that they can use it as a carrot to lure a coach with a better chance of success than they deserve.

KU will figure out ways to come up with $$$ to fire them if needed. It's hard to keep a coach when team has not made any upwards progress in last few years. If team has shown ANY improvement in last couple of years, it's easier to give few years to see where the program goes with a coach. Gill set KU football back for 10 years, Weis experiment with transfers failed, and I am not sure Beaty is the right guy to fix this mess.

 

[bosco]

I know KU wasn't good, but they have been feisty under Beaty. This game seems like an exceptionally bad game for them. They usually lose because they are out manned. This game it was just bad football.

 

[TykeClone]

I know KU wasn't good, but they have been feisty under Beaty. This game seems like an exceptionally bad game for them. They usually lose because they are out manned. This game it was just bad football.

We had something to do with that

 

[Cyclophile1]

There is a base of old Kansas City money that would rather not be ashamed of KU football. A number of them I know are retired attorneys, business owners and doctors. It's a crowd with big money with attachments to Kansas who revel in KU basketball, certainly. I think a chief motivation, maybe not the sole one, is to not be embarrassed by the football program.

They definitely see themselves as bluebloods in hoops, so it's not critical that they be excellent in football and some might even see that as evidence of over-emphasizing it at the expense of basketball. But they would strongly prefer that football not be a complete joke and tarnish the overall brand. They would be thrilled by a good-looking, articulate guy with PR skills who would win the non-conference and average a couple of games per year, a McCarney type who was perhaps a bit more reserved and "classy." Really, a guy with great hair that won a just little bit at Kansas would have a 10-year contract.

 

[surly]

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