Kansas

[Omaha Cy]

If they lose out, the'll have a total of 4 conference game wins dating back to 2010.
Add in the 2009 season, and they'll have 5 conf game wins in 9 seasons. Easily their worst run in program history. All 4 of those wins came @ home. 2010, 2013, 2014, & 2016

From the Cyclone slant, the Criner, Walden, and early Mac years were never THAT bad in conf play. Granted the Big 8 back in those days was basically "3 haves" and "5 have-nots" most years, so wins were easier to come by IMO. Even Terry freaking Allen had a far better showing than KU recently.

I get the impression from the KU fanbase that Beaty might get another year, before they look elsewhere. Perhaps the huge back to back buy-outs for Gill and Weiss are having an affect. This will all negatively impact KU as they have basically lost half a generation worth of KU fans/season ticket holders/etc....similar to what ISU went through in the 80's and 90's. Their not too far off from having 10 classes of students go through there with virtually NO positive KU football experiences. As they get older and have expendable income, it's likely not getting put back into the FB program.

When McCarney started winning and even played Mizzou for a north title(2004?), JTS had 45K-ish in the stands for games that actually mattered. That's the long term affect from a long run of losing games, and losing the fan base.

 

[ViktorLuzor]

I posted something along these lines earlier. They are getting so bad that I actually feel sorry for them. For as awful as football has been for ISU fans at times, it has never been as consistently bad for us for as long as it has been for them. Not in my memory, anyway. It makes me wonder what it's like to be a fan of KU football. What keeps them going? I'd love to find a legitimate KU football fan so I could ask them, but I just don't think they exist anymore. Most of them likely died in the Flu epidemic of 1920. Then Mangino probably stuffed the last of them up his sizable bottom when he was fired and they haven't been heard from since.

 

[Malone]

I posted something along these lines earlier. They are getting so bad that I actually feel sorry for them. For as awful as football has been for ISU fans at times, it has never been as consistently bad for us for as long as it has been for them. Not in my memory, anyway. It makes me wonder what it's like to be a fan of KU football. What keeps them going? I'd love to find a legitimate KU football fan so I could ask them, but I just don't think they exist anymore. Most of them likely died in the Flu epidemic of 1920. Then Mangino probably stuffed the last of them up his sizable bottom when he was fired and they haven't been heard from since.

That’s as good a theory as any.

 

[ViktorLuzor]

KU athletic department should have an open audition for head coach and offer a two-year contract with salary of 500,000 bucks. There's a chance they could find an energetic enough of a guy of limited experience but may have enough spirit and confidence he may actually will them to achieve a couple of 2 or 3 win seasons before totally flushing it down into winless oblivion in his 3rd year. That would at least seem to be more cost effective than what they're doing now.

 

[Omaha Cy]

I posted something along these lines earlier. They are getting so bad that I actually feel sorry for them. For as awful as football has been for ISU fans at times, it has never been as consistently bad for us for as long as it has been for them.

In dark ISU times going back to the 80s, all the Clones coaches still gave the fan base a few notable wins to celebrate, or at least think the program was progressing...even though it wasn't.

During the Duncan years, ISU beat rival Iowa 3 times in a row. 3 out of 4.
During the Criner years, ISU beat #7 OSU, and went 6-5 in 1986 (Criner was fired and Clones went 1-1 without him beating lowly K-state.)
During the Walden years, ISU beat Nebraska, Oklahoma(both 9-3), and even a ranked Bill Snyder led K-freaking-State team! Walden also had a 6-5 year.

During the early Mac years, Troy Davis created a major buzz as a Heisman finalist.
Mac beat Iowa twice while posting a losing record.
Chizik beat Iowa, and rattled off consecutive Big 12 wins late in 2007.

They all had notable win(s) on their resume. KU's 4 conf wins since 2010 came against teams with losing records, and rival K-state has completely annihilated them since they fired Mangino. KU hasn't posted a single win that's really worth a **** since 2008.

Rhoads from 2013-2015, still gave us a few memorable wins. Biggest comeback in school history vs WVU, beating Texas 24-0, winning at Iowa(2014). Nothing great there, but considering how they won those game, I won't forget them. Campbell in year one blew out Tech by 56 points.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

I had heard that KU's road losing streak was over 40 games, but that was just something I heard in passing and didn't get much detail on it. I just went and looked it up. Their last road win was on September 9, 2009, and it was over UTEP. That means Turner Gill never won a road game, neither did Chuck Weis and Beaty of course hasn't either. Over 8 years ago.

ISU football has been bad but it would be terrible knowing that you essentially have no chance when you go on the road. I mean, they've even lost road games that they should really be able to compete in. Lost to Ohio on the road this year.

The all time record is 44 straight road losses, and that happened in the 1920's to 1930's. Right now KU is at 43 straight, and they play at TCU next weekend.

 

[Die4Cy]

I had heard that KU's road losing streak was over 40 games, but that was just something I heard in passing and didn't get much detail on it. I just went and looked it up. Their last road win was on September 9, 2009, and it was over UTEP. That means Turner Gill never won a road game, neither did Chuck Weis and Beaty of course hasn't either. Over 8 years ago.

ISU football has been bad but it would be terrible knowing that you essentially have no chance when you go on the road. I mean, they've even lost road games that they should really be able to compete in. Lost to Ohio on the road this year.

The all time record is 44 straight road losses, and that happened in the 1920's to 1930's. Right now KU is at 43 straight, and they play at TCU next weekend.

That is ridiculous, not having won a road game in 8 years. No real end in sight for them, either, with TCU, Tejas, and OSU the remaining road games for this year. They play Central Michigan on the road early next season, but CMU throttled them pretty good in Lawrence this fall.

 

[Cyclophile1]

I know we've been upset about our program and have been through hard times, but this is truly the Dark Ages for Kansas football fans. This latest incarnation of the Big12 with the 9 game round robin has just been a meat grinder for all the have-not programs (as we well know), but for them it's been a nightmarish death spiral. We're clawing our way to the middle of the pack, but Kansas is just a dumpster fire.

The KU fans I talk to admit firing Mangino was a huge mistake, but the cocktail set at KU just found him embarrassing. The posh set couldn't stand that he eschewed the donor functions and was generally a boor (or boar?) in public, but the more level-headed ones know his manufactured ouster was a serious mistake, one they are still paying for.

 

[CyCloned]

The sad part about KU is that from what I saw yesterday they are not good and very poorly coached too. Not a good combination going forward.

As for the road losing streak, it seems like ISU is always the team that lets those streaks stop. Baylor got their first Big 12 win in JTS as I recall.

 

[Die4Cy]

I know we've been upset about our program and have been through hard times, but this is truly the Dark Ages for Kansas football fans. This latest incarnation of the Big12 with the 9 game round robin has just been a meat grinder for all the have-not programs (as we well know), but for them it's been a nightmarish death spiral. We're clawing our way to the middle of the pack, but Kansas is just a dumpster fire.

The KU fans I talk to admit firing Mangino was a huge mistake, but the cocktail set at KU just found him embarrassing. The posh set couldn't stand that he eschewed the donor functions and was generally a boor (or boar?) in public, but the more level-headed ones know his manufactured ouster was a serious mistake, one they are still paying for.

I think Mangino would've always ended badly for the Jayhawks, one way or the other. The final nail was Charlie Weis coming in after Gill got the quick hook and taking a couple mil to run off a third of the team and stand around doing absolutely nothing but collecting his checks.

The AD thought a big name was all he needed to resurrect the program, but Chuck straight up stole their money. The AD that hired him is still there. I wonder if they have any real base of backers to pull off that $300 million renovation of Memorial. There can't be a lot of confidence from the football boosters in the administration after they've rabbit holed so much money in the past few years and gotten nothing but negative results.

 

[Cyclonepride]

You get the impression from watching them that they've bottomed out, but if they are hanging on to their coach for another year, maybe not.

 

[Die4Cy]

I shouldn't feel bad for them. After all, Kansas MUST be destroyed. It is written.

But it is important to have some tomato cans to kick during conference play with an otherwise meat grinder of a schedule. They fill a purpose.

If they were just bad, instead of flailing and desperate, I probably wouldn't feel this way.

 

[Omaha Cy]

The sad part about KU is that from what I saw yesterday they are not good and very poorly coached too. Not a good combination going forward.

As for the road losing streak, it seems like ISU is always the team that lets those streaks stop. Baylor got their first Big 12 win in JTS as I recall.

If they don't win a road game until they face ISU in 2019, that streak will be pushing 55 games and 10+ years by then.

 

[WIBadger]

If we're doing statistics about Kansas' futility right now, they are more likely to lose to a big 12 team by 42 points (8/21=38%)* than they are to win a big 12 game (1/21=4.8%) Hell, they're more likely to lose a big 12 game by 42 points than win a non-conference game (38% vs. 22.22%).

If you're Kansas, you've got to fire him if you can financially. Because there is no hope right now. You can't even say that they are improving at this point

*Source: a Lawrence paper

 

[ISUAlum2002]

If we're doing statistics about Kansas' futility right now, they are more likely to lose to a big 12 team by 42 points (8/21=38%)* than they are to win a big 12 game (1/21=4.8%) Hell, they're more likely to lose a big 12 game by 42 points than win a non-conference game (38% vs. 22.22%).

If you're Kansas, you've got to fire him if you can financially. Because there is no hope right now. You can't even say that they are improving at this point

*Source: a Lawrence paper

Fire him and do what, though? At some point you need to get some consistency and let someone try to build a program. Especially after you've spent so much money firing coaches in recent years. Would be really tough to find a young guy from a decent program to make the move to KU's head coach position at this point when it is seen as a coaching graveyard.

 

[Die4Cy]

I think they keep Beatty because they can't afford the buyout. That'd be four coaches in a row they paid to leave. Not to mention the reputation for an administration not giving a guy time despite being the worst school in FBS.

They will want their facility upgrades closer to completion so that they can use it as a carrot to lure a coach with a better chance of success than they deserve.

 

[ISUCubswin]

I love Iowa State football and I may be the only one that thinks this, but that was the most boring football game I've witnessed as a Cyclone fan just because it felt like I was watching a practice between our first string and our student-managers.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

KU actually has something of a decent recruiting class coming in next year with two 4 star players. I would be shocked if Beaty doesn't get one more year with the simple goal of winning four games to keep him around for 2019.

I would also be shocked if those guys actually sign at KU when they have offers to basically play anywhere they want and they're from New Orleans. But for now they are KU commits.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

I love Iowa State football and I may be the only one that thinks this, but that was the most boring football game I've witnessed as a Cyclone fan just because it felt like I was watching a practice between our first string and our student-managers.

I have watched too much bad Iowa State football to be bored by a 45-0 conference win.

 

[Cyballzz]

I love Iowa State football and I may be the only one that thinks this, but that was the most boring football game I've witnessed as a Cyclone fan just because it felt like I was watching a practice between our first string and our student-managers.

Ah to be young again.