Monte is NOT a Cousy Award Finalist

[bosco]

I would agree with you, but Cousy was one of the Voters

TIL that Cousy is still alive.

 

[GTO]

This is not going to end well but I will try. I am NOT trying to cause trouble with this question but has anyone ever wondered if this amazing A/TO ratio is really a great thing? ISU has finished with 8, 9 and 12 losses in Morris' first three years and is at 10 already this year.

Is it possible that avoiding possible turnovers has resulted in Morris not taking some risks that, if successful, might have won him and ISU more games? Is Monte Morris the ncca hoops version of the KC Chiefs Alex Smith in that he won't hurt you by turning it over but kinda hurts you by never risking a turnover?

I swear I am not trying to troll. It is a serious attempt to discuss this as a possibility.

Being one of the best teams in NCAA at not turning the ball over has a lot to do with him. It has also been the only way we have been able to beat some teams that have out-rebounded us by large margins, because we don't lose as many possessions and the other team turns it over substantially more than us. It helps neutralize their rebounding advantage/second chance points.

 

[Pitt_Clone]

This is not going to end well but I will try. I am NOT trying to cause trouble with this question but has anyone ever wondered if this amazing A/TO ratio is really a great thing? ISU has finished with 8, 9 and 12 losses in Morris' first three years and is at 10 already this year.

Is it possible that avoiding possible turnovers has resulted in Morris not taking some risks that, if successful, might have won him and ISU more games? Is Monte Morris the ncca hoops version of the KC Chiefs Alex Smith in that he won't hurt you by turning it over but kinda hurts you by never risking a turnover?

I swear I am not trying to troll. It is a serious attempt to discuss this as a possibility.

The only way that argument would hold any weight is if, to go along with his extremely low turnover rate, he also didn't have many assists. But there's only one player in the top 5 list who has more assists per game than Monte. It would be like Alex Smith throwing for 4 or 5 TD's every game while not turning it over. In other words, not like Alex Smith in the slightest. But sure you're not trolling.

 

[Doc]

The only way that argument would hold any weight is if, to go along with his extremely low turnover rate, he also didn't have many assists. But there's only one player in the top 5 list who has more assists per game than Monte. It would be like Alex Smith throwing for 4 or 5 TD's every game while not turning it over. In other words, not like Alex Smith in the slightest. But sure you're not trolling.

Yeah, the only players you typically see with TO rates approaching Monte's are guys that are almost exclusively catch and shoot players. Guys that take maybe 5 dribbles a game.

 

[CyArob]

This is not going to end well but I will try. I am NOT trying to cause trouble with this question but has anyone ever wondered if this amazing A/TO ratio is really a great thing? ISU has finished with 8, 9 and 12 losses in Morris' first three years and is at 10 already this year.

Is it possible that avoiding possible turnovers has resulted in Morris not taking some risks that, if successful, might have won him and ISU more games? Is Monte Morris the ncca hoops version of the KC Chiefs Alex Smith in that he won't hurt you by turning it over but kinda hurts you by never risking a turnover?

I swear I am not trying to troll. It is a serious attempt to discuss this as a possibility.

That's a Turrible take. Straight turrible.

 

[cyclonespiker33]

Yeah, the only players you typically see with TO rates approaching Monte's are guys that are almost exclusively catch and shoot players. Guys that take maybe 5 dribbles a game.

Yeah, someone like Matt Thomas? Oh wait, he's got 23% more turnovers than Monte this season in 87% of the minutes.

 

[madguy30]

This is not going to end well but I will try. I am NOT trying to cause trouble with this question but has anyone ever wondered if this amazing A/TO ratio is really a great thing? ISU has finished with 8, 9 and 12 losses in Morris' first three years and is at 10 already this year.

Is it possible that avoiding possible turnovers has resulted in Morris not taking some risks that, if successful, might have won him and ISU more games? Is Monte Morris the ncca hoops version of the KC Chiefs Alex Smith in that he won't hurt you by turning it over but kinda hurts you by never risking a turnover?

I swear I am not trying to troll. It is a serious attempt to discuss this as a possibility.

Without looking it up I think his best statistical games have been wins and worst games were losses, so maybe not, although I'm still waiting for him to feed it to Young a bit more, and that's probably a good example of risking a TO.

 

[cyfan4St8]

Here is the link if you want to share your feelings with them.

http://www.hoophall.com/about/get-touch/contact-us/

In all seriousness everyone one here should do it . I sent them a good tactful message. You don't have to write them a book , but express that they over looked a candidate that what the award is suppose to represent and they choose the candidate by who they play for instead.

 

[cycopath25]

See you in KC Monte!

 

[CRcyclone6]

See you in KC Monte!
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That is great! I want one. Can I get one?

 

[cycopath25]

That is great! I want one. Can I get one?

I got it custom made from a shop here in Thermopolis, WY. I could ask the owner what the price is to make and ship to Iowa if you're absolutely dead serious.

 

[SNEDDS3]

I think I may see if I can get a shirt made with this to wear in KC this week.

No royalties, just have to make me a shirt.

 

[clonedude]

Morris averages more assists per game than Mason does, but Morris is the one being "conservative"? Uhhh.... wut?

Morris' numbers are the purest definition of "point guard" that there is. He should actually win this award IMO.

 

[AuH2O]

Trent Dilfer? Eh, yeah, that wasn't me.

Read your earlier argument about how their job is to win games and think about it.

 

[Cardinal2001]

 

[VeloClone]

Alright, those stats aren't a good representation of Assist/TO ratio, but still fair
Zierden - 26 assists to 4 turnovers in 304 minutes
Mason - 74 assists to 13 turnovers in 25 games
Monte - 134 to 27 turnovers

Not sure why I remember so vividly Monte getting a plaque after his freshman year for breaking the NCAA assist to turnover ratio record?

Because he was recognized. The following year's NCAA record book listed Monte as the record holder:

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/2015/DivI.pdf

Page 3.

 

[srjclone]

Because he was recognized. The following year's NCAA record book listed Monte as the record holder:

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/2015/DivI.pdf

Page 3.

Yeah, the minimum of 3 assists is what I was remembering. Thanks for posting