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Random Thoughts VIII: The Ocho

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CyArob said:
Thought I was going to get pulled over twice by the same cop on my way home tonight.

She pulled a 180 on the road I was on and started following me before speeding off ahead with no sirens. And then the same thing happened later on a different street.
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I bet if you were a gorilla you would have got pulled over.
 
00clone said:
No, our species isn't 'better', our species holds a special place as a significantly more intelligent species, and in no way is that 'personal feelings'.

http://www.livescience.com/33376-humans-other-animals-distinguishing-mental-abilities.html

Whether you want to say that's by design or random chance, we are the only species that would be intelligent enough to 'take care' of the other species and the planet. I think you think I'm being purely religious here, but even if you take creation out of it, implying that humans are only minutely different from other species does a disservice to the value of human life.

Put it this way, you can't put human and animal lives on equal value footing, yet also stratify values of certain human lives over others, which you're quick to dismiss those you deem to be below you in intelligence or belief as not having value. You can't say certain human lives have little value then lament that we kill each other out of the same type of devaluation.
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I don't put them on equal footing. Every circumstance is its own different scenario where there can be a plethora of things that go into it.

And there's tons of examples of one species raising the young of another species.
 
cyrocksmypants said:
I don't put them on equal footing. Every circumstance is its own different scenario where there can be a plethora of things that go into it.

And there's tons of examples of one species raising the young of another species.
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Not to mention the fact that great apes (Gorillas, Orangutans, Chimpanzees & Bonobos) are capable of reason, and can learn to communicate via sign language and symbols. They love, they feel fear, they feel pain.
 
ImJustKCClone said:
Not to mention the fact that great apes (Gorillas, Orangutans, Chimpanzees & Bonobos) are capable of reason, and can learn to communicate via sign language and symbols. They love, they feel fear, they feel pain.
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Many do. In fact, just the fact that some animals not only understand different human commands and hand gestures but have learned ways to communicate it back to us as a completely different species says wonders.
 
theantiAIRBHG said:
00 is getting a little weird.
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OK, I'll cop to that, but this story to me highlights whether you value or don't value human life. To me, despite the fact that a lot of them bother me, each one has tremendous value due to the potential....at the risk of sounding like a blowhard TED talker: A human sperm and human egg came together to create Albert Einstein. A human sperm and human egg came together to create Ghandi. Any human being born at this instant has the possibility to cure cancer or end world hunger, or create some other change we can't even think of. Granted, the odds are tremendously skewed to say that any specific one likely will not, but you can't deny the possibility that each one has a certain potential to do so. Why? It's happened innumerable times. The number of human beings that drastically changed the course of our planet is huge. I would challenge anyone to do the same for an animal.
 
00clone said:
OK, I'll cop to that, but this story to me highlights whether you value or don't value human life. To me, despite the fact that a lot of them bother me, each one has tremendous value due to the potential....at the risk of sounding like a blowhard TED talker: A human sperm and human egg came together to create Albert Einstein. A human sperm and human egg came together to create Ghandi. Any human being born at this instant has the possibility to cure cancer or end world hunger, or create some other change we can't even think of. Granted, the odds are tremendously skewed to say that any specific one likely will not, but you can't deny the possibility that each one has a certain potential to do so. Why? It's happened innumerable times. The number of human beings that drastically changed the course of our planet is huge. I would challenge anyone to do the same for an animal.
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I think that's one of my biggest things about the story. An innocent 4 year old with his whole life ahead of him is worth more than any animal. If you were to tell me an adult fell in there due to something stupid (like you read so many times about some moron that got drunk, broke into a zoo at night, and fell in a lion enclosure), then I would say we can take a chance with tranquilizers, etc. in the best interest of the animal.
 
00clone said:
OK, I'll cop to that, but this story to me highlights whether you value or don't value human life. To me, despite the fact that a lot of them bother me, each one has tremendous value due to the potential....at the risk of sounding like a blowhard TED talker: A human sperm and human egg came together to create Albert Einstein. A human sperm and human egg came together to create Ghandi. Any human being born at this instant has the possibility to cure cancer or end world hunger, or create some other change we can't even think of. Granted, the odds are tremendously skewed to say that any specific one likely will not, but you can't deny the possibility that each one has a certain potential to do so. Why? It's happened innumerable times. The number of human beings that drastically changed the course of our planet is huge. I would challenge anyone to do the same for an animal.
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I'd kill baby Hitler if I could go back in time too.
 
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