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[cdnlngld]

The reason school officials are powerless, isn't necessarily because parents don't want their children's teachers disciplining their kids, but more to protect the schools from litigation if/when an official takes discipline too far. The real problem is trying to define where to draw the line. For my fathers generation, a ruler across the knuckles was the norm. However, nowadays that would be considered abuse(even if this discipline was administered by the child's parent)..... and rightly so. I would be furious if my kid came home with bloody knuckles, and there are few on here that would disagree.

As for the officer's use of force..... in this situation, the student's refusal to move may have required a forcible removal. However, I think the officer flipping the desk over and then dragging her and throwing her might have been a little on the excessive side. One can forcibly remove someone by easing into force rather then going ballistic like he did.

 

[Tailg8er]

Really? But it didn't trouble you in the Michigan flashing lights case?

Here we go....

 

[Freebird]

Really? But it didn't trouble you in the Michigan flashing lights case?

I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

 

[Tailg8er]

I agree he probably could have accomplished his objective while using less force initially. At the very least I'd say he probably needs to be removed from school duty & to receive further training, but wouldn't be surprised if he's fired (not that I think he should be).

A bigger issue IMO is how the national media portrays stuff like this. At least with this one, it seemed like they immediately made it seem that the cop was undeniably completely out of line. To me this just encourages other kids to do the same because they can become a youtube star & possibly win a lawsuit.

I don't know why anyone would WANT to be a police officer in current times.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I agree he probably could have accomplished his objective while using less force initially. At the very least I'd say he probably needs to be removed from school duty & to receive further training, but wouldn't be surprised if he's fired (not that I think he should be).

A bigger issue IMO is how the national media portrays stuff like this. At least with this one, it seemed like they immediately made it seem that the cop was undeniably completely out of line. To me this just encourages other kids to do the same because they can become a youtube star & possibly win a lawsuit.

I don't know why anyone would WANT to be a police officer in current times.

I don't either, but yet there they are, bicing their heads and going out and shooting people and violating human and civil rights every day. Mostly kids.

 

[Mr Janny]

I agree he probably could have accomplished his objective while using less force initially. At the very least I'd say he probably needs to be removed from school duty & to receive further training, but wouldn't be surprised if he's fired (not that I think he should be).

A bigger issue IMO is how the national media portrays stuff like this. At least with this one, it seemed like they immediately made it seem that the cop was undeniably completely out of line. To me this just encourages other kids to do the same because they can become a youtube star & possibly win a lawsuit.

I don't know why anyone would WANT to be a police officer in current times.

I think the video speaks for itself. I don't think a police officer should be allowed to use that kind of force on anyone who is not being violent or inciting violence. I don't care what the current laws are. That kind of escalation has no place in society, in my opinion. There are several other ways to deal with that situation that don't involve throwing a child across the room for what amounts to insolence. If watching that video helps to court public opinion to the side that says this type of police action will not be tolerated, then so be it. It may not be be a violation of procedure now, but maybe this video gets us one step closer to changing the procedure.

 

[besserheimerphat]

After reading this thread I'm starting to come around on the idea of beating my kids like some say is necessary. I want my kids to respect me, and apparently roughing them up good will earn that respect. Can someone recommend a good brand of belt? If I make a wooden paddle should I use a 1x6 or a 1x4? The 1x6 was my first thought, but with 3 kids I'm wondering if that's too heavy to effectively beat them for extended periods. I don't want to get wore out.

 

[CyBri]

I'm guessing you're not a parent. As a parent who takes the role seriously, I have learned all too well that even kids with good parents are perfectly capable of acting like a moron, buffoon, a brat, you name it.

I am a parent. There is a fine line b/t acting like a moron/brat and one that won't listen to a teacher to the point a police officer had to be called in. You can't dismiss all bad behavior as kids being kids. Sometimes they have to be accountable. I have worked with juvenile delinquents and in a state penitentiary and when it comes down to it consequences are what keeps them in line. Even them some don't care.

 

[NATEizKING]

Anyone think she'll say no next time?

 

[Freebird]

No one has said anything about beating children so I don't know where you are getting that. Beating = punishment.
Force=control. If this was a beating then obviously the officer shouldn't just be fired but should also go to prison.

In my mind the first question is was the force reasonable and necessary. Which also begs the question could the officer have de-escalated the situation and handled it a better/different way.

 

[Mr Janny]

Anyone think she'll say no next time?

well, yeah. Recidivism rates in this country seem to paint a pretty clear picture.

 

[Tailg8er]

well, yeah. Recidivism rates in this country seem to paint a pretty clear picture.

& not likely to get any better when kids who do so get rewarded.

 

[Gunnerclone]

After reading this thread I'm starting to come around on the idea of beating my kids like some say is necessary. I want my kids to respect me, and apparently roughing them up good will earn that respect. Can someone recommend a good brand of belt? If I make a wooden paddle should I use a 1x6 or a 1x4? The 1x6 was my first thought, but with 3 kids I'm wondering if that's too heavy to effectively beat them for extended periods. I don't want to get wore out.

If going that route I really would like to espouse the straight contact method: Fist to face, foot to azz. It's the personal touch and the intimacy of wiping your child's blood off your fists that really lets gives it that WOW factor.

 

[Clark]

I think the video speaks for itself. I don't think a police officer should be allowed to use that kind of force on anyone who is not being violent or inciting violence. I don't care what the current laws are. That kind of escalation has no place in society, in my opinion. There are several other ways to deal with that situation that don't involve throwing a child across the room for what amounts to insolence. If watching that video helps to court public opinion to the side that says this type of police action will not be tolerated, then so be it. It may not be be a violation of procedure now, but maybe this video gets us one step closer to changing the procedure.

what should his procedure have been? I tried to lay out an alternate choice but nobody seemed to agree with me. maybe you'll have better luck.

 

[DiehardClone]

You live in quite the little bubble. Her parents possibly don't care if she is in school or not. Something needs to be done every student shouldn't be disrupted bc this student is a moron. If she was warned a couple times it is time to go. If she hit the officer she should be punished by the school and law. Tired of hearing stories about these brat kids with worthless parents.

I am a parent. There is a fine line b/t acting like a moron/brat and one that won't listen to a teacher to the point a police officer had to be called in. You can't dismiss all bad behavior as kids being kids. Sometimes they have to be accountable. I have worked with juvenile delinquents and in a state penitentiary and when it comes down to it consequences are what keeps them in line. Even them some don't care.

Thanks, but I was referring to your earlier assumption (in the first quote up above) that this kid has "worthless parents." Unless you actually know this girl's parents, I think it's dangerous to make that assumption just based on a video.

BTW, I completely agree about the necessity for consequences, for kids and for adults. And FWIW, I don't dismiss any bad behavior as "kids being kids." And a tip of my hat to you for working with juvenile delinquents and prison inmates.

 

[3TrueFans]

what should his procedure have been? I tried to lay out an alternate choice but nobody seemed to agree with me. maybe you'll have better luck.

I have to assume there's a way to physically remove her from her desk without slamming it and her backwards and then picking her up and throwing her to the front of the classroom. Perhaps just grab her and remove her from the desk the same way she got in?

 

[ISUCubswin]

If a student isn't going to listen to a teacher and needs to have a cop come in to get them to respect the class, they deserve getting slammed to the ground.

I really hope this SRO doesn't get in trouble, but I have no doubt the media will do what it can to make sure he's out of a job.

 

[ISUCubswin]

Also, no one in the classroom is even paying attention to whats happening, so this kid was probably being a pile of **** to begin with.

 

[Clark]

I have to assume there's a way to physically remove her from her desk without slamming it and her backwards and then picking her up and throwing her to the front of the classroom. Perhaps just grab her and remove her from the desk the same way she got in?

so it's ok for him to initiate physical contact that may escalate the situation further? What if she holds on to the desk?

 

[ISUCubswin]

I have to assume there's a way to physically remove her from her desk without slamming it and her backwards and then picking her up and throwing her to the front of the classroom. Perhaps just grab her and remove her from the desk the same way she got in?

1. Not as fun.

2. I'm sure there is a way to restrain from doing that unless you had four hands, and I'm not sure the teacher would be allowed to help.

3. If you can't show respect to your authorities, getting slammed to the ground and tossed around is something you deserve.