Fair point. But I do think Brady stands to lose more in terms of credibility/legacy by being found complicit than the NFL/Goodell does by being found to have ****ed up again.
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Fair point. But I do think Brady stands to lose more in terms of credibility/legacy by being found complicit than the NFL/Goodell does by being found to have ****ed up again.
This deflated football scandal is by far and away the dumbest story I have ever heard and here we are how ever many months later still hearing about it. A couple of pounds were released from the ball. Big ******* deal. I am so sick of hearing about this god damn non story. The suspension is ridiculous, yes, but come on. Let it go. They beat them what, 49- 0?
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In who's eyes? He's overseen a huge increase in league popularity, and functions as a shield for the shield, so to speak. He absorbs a ton of punishment for league, as it's public face, so the owners don't have to. He's also presided over a reworked CBA that saw the owners come out as victors. From a public standpoint, he looks like a bad guy, but I think it's kind of his job to do that. The league is going strong, though. Making more money than they ever have. Worst commissioner? Only if you look at the very surface.
I don't seem him as a cheater but you can't be "railroaded" if you're guilty of what they are accusing you of.
He may get off on some technicalities but it's fairly obvious that what the Patriots did was intentional and that he knew about it. Is it 4 game suspension worthy, no, but lying your *** off and not cooperating probably are.
I'm not sure that viewpoint is supported by any actual proof though. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence and things that look bad though. Is that enough for a 4 game suspension?
Not enough evidence to put him in jail, plenty of evidence to suspend him IMO.
Four games is too much for the crime itself. It might be too much for his attempted coverup/lying. That's what i think the case boils down to.
Thought mediator is up next and district court last. Heard Goodell offered two game suspension if he admitted destroying phone and one game if he ratted out the ball boys. That did not happen. Today Brady has a 500 word facebook message.
Agree to disagree I guess, I'm not seeing this evidence linking Brady to deflategate. Even if the barrier is to just be 51% sure or whatever.
Heard there were 13 balls and one was one pound under what it was suppose to be. Really sounds stupid that is a four game suspension. If he had peed his pants that would then be a two game suspension.
I'd bet alot of money on a professional quarterback's ability to tell how inflated the ball is to within a pound. If you think he didn't know, then yes we'll have to agree to disagree because it flies in the face of common sense.
I think that's proof enough for determining whether he is eligible to play in a game. This isn't a court of law we're talking about.
Me too, which is why Brady was upset about how hard the footballs were against the Jets and which were found to be out of spec on the high side when checked the next day. If the NFL couldn't properly inspect the balls then, why is it hard to believe they were incapable of properly inspecting them prior to the AFC title game?
I still disagree that "well he obviously knew" is enough to suspend him for 4 games. Do they apply the same "well he's obviously guilty" to something like PEDs even if they don't have proof of a positive test?
I do think he did enough to get punished for not cooperating with the investigation, but I think 4 games is way out of whack for that.
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If Brady wasn't aware of what was going on, then a lot of conversations between McNally and Jastremski make zero sense. I mean, we know that Patriots employees were deflating footballs. We know one of them called himself "the Deflator." We know that the Patriots offered up an absolutely pathetic excuse for why he was called the Deflator.
To believe Brady, and his assertion that neither he or the Patriots did anything wrong, requires a lot of faith.
To believe Brady, and his assertion that neither he or the Patriots did anything wrong, requires a lot of faith.
Some do suck, most are status quo deliveries, but there's always 1 each year that is awesome. I couldn't wait for Bill Parcells speech a year(?) ago, and it delivered. I'll be tuning in.
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Absolutely they do. For PED testing, you don't have to test positive for PEDs to be punished. Anything that suggests you tried to make the test less effective, (masking agents, overhydration, even arriving late, etc,) is punishable.
It's not that you have to prove Brady was aware that balls were deflated, I think it's safe to say he knows what a football should feel like. But you have to prove that he was aware the balls were being illegally deflated after they were checked by officials. I don't think they have evidence to prove the former let alone the latter.
But Brady's case isn't about whether footballs were deflated. That's not something that can be challenged. Brady's case is all about whether the NFL followed the rules set forth in the collective bargaining agreement.
