*** COACHING SEARCH THREAD: Thursday, June 4 ***
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Are you saying #TeamCorndogChick? What do you know? Who's your source? Do you work in the AD's office?
IMO, it appears that those most strongly opposed to Otzelberger are those who dislike JP and are on the side that wishes CPR would have been fired after last fall. It is more of taking the opposite position of what they think JP wants, more than anything else.
Pretty stupid logic IMO, but that is the way it appears. Especially when they make comments that they want Otzelberger to remain as an assistant and then in a few years he can have the Head Coaching Job......and yet their argument for not wanting Otzelberger now is that they say he has no HC experience.
Newsflash people.......IF Otzelberger is retained and stays as an assistant coach then he STILL won't have any HC experience when you propose giving him the HC job. It really makes no sense.
Pretty stupid logic IMO, but that is the way it appears. Especially when they make comments that they want Otzelberger to remain as an assistant and then in a few years he can have the Head Coaching Job......and yet their argument for not wanting Otzelberger now is that they say he has no HC experience.
Newsflash people.......IF Otzelberger is retained and stays as an assistant coach then he STILL won't have any HC experience when you propose giving him the HC job. It really makes no sense.
How is leading 4 consecutive teams to at least a share of a conference title as head coach the same as being 'hands on' in practice and some games as an assistant for 2 successful teams in 9 years.
I don't see how anyone that is around the game a lot could ever compare the two. We literally have no idea whether or not TJ can get the most out of a team.
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What in the living **** are you talking about? I'm opposed to TJ because he has no HC experience and, as ISU is in an upward trajectory on the nation scene, we can't take a huge risk with someone who's never been a head coach at this level. ISU right now is different than when Hoiberg first took over, after GMac screwed up the program.
I agree, it makes no sense. However, I don't think most people are saying to give him the HC position after being assistant. I've seen it, but most aren't saying that at all.
Aren't you the guy that said your biggest problem with Prohm was his record in close games??
Serious question...if TJ had never left for a lateral move (at best) in the first place, would we even be having this discussion right now, or would the job be his?
Matt A did a great job, and people before GMac did too, so I don't agree with this at all. And just because you have great talent doesn't mean you can win, especially in college. ISU is not going to be getting 5 star recruits like Kentucky where talent ultimately trumps teamwork.
It would be great to keep TJ on the staff, but I'm not for him being a HC at all.
This is such ridiculous logic. I guess if we had one bad experience, then we should never do it again!!! One point of data doesn't make a line - you have one point of data.
C'mon, cubs, catch up, b****....
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=204720&p=4663910&viewfull=1#post4663910
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He was asking a different question.
I personally don't think TJ would even get a phone call from Pollard if he were still at Washington.
At the same time, I think the search would already be over had TJ stayed the whole time.
Who the hell is proposing that we hire another HC and hand the job to Otz afterwards?
You paint yourself your own little world and make arguments with people who just aren't there.
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I just don't understand the TJ-bashing crowd. I readily agree there are risks with the guy - heck, he's never been a head coach at a college program. Clearly a risk. He may have some strong positives - clearly, he's a very good recruiter; he also has been an ac in large conferences under good coaches (Hoiberg, Romar - Wash may not be tearing it up, but he was at SLU when I lived in STL, and he was well regarded). Time under GMac - not sure what to do with that; hopefully, he learned what not to do; there is some merit to that, seriously. TJ may be a good Xs & Os guy, I don't know. He may have some better ideas about D & rebounding than Freddie did. He may not. Hope those things would come out in the interview, as well as what staff he'd hire. Some examples of assistants hired to be hc:
> worked out: Roy Williams, Tom Izzo, Frank Martin (?), Mark Few, Steve Fisher
> didn't work out: Wayne Morgan; likely just as many as did work out
Mid-major HC - great to have the experience of running the show... Can they do it in a power conference? Can they recruit in a power conference?...Still risk here.
> worked out: Sean Miller, Mike Anderson (?), Bill Self,
> didn't work out: GMac, Todd Lickliter, Steve Alford, Don Monson, Bruce Weber
> unsure: Matt Painter, Fran McCaffrey, Tim Miles...
I'm sure I've missed plenty of examples in all categories. The point is that there are risks and pros for each situation/person. The AD (& Pres./committee/etc...) needs to discern who they think will be the most successful.
> worked out: Roy Williams, Tom Izzo, Frank Martin (?), Mark Few, Steve Fisher
> didn't work out: Wayne Morgan; likely just as many as did work out
Mid-major HC - great to have the experience of running the show... Can they do it in a power conference? Can they recruit in a power conference?...Still risk here.
> worked out: Sean Miller, Mike Anderson (?), Bill Self,
> didn't work out: GMac, Todd Lickliter, Steve Alford, Don Monson, Bruce Weber
> unsure: Matt Painter, Fran McCaffrey, Tim Miles...
I'm sure I've missed plenty of examples in all categories. The point is that there are risks and pros for each situation/person. The AD (& Pres./committee/etc...) needs to discern who they think will be the most successful.
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