*** COACHING SEARCH THREAD: Thursday, June 4 ***
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NA, Biggus Piggus is the crown royal of moderators at the Arkansas board.
Can you tell I'm still bitter about that? Not once but twice was treated like a POC by the same mod, while some of their posters were very decent.
Just keep Otz. The other guys interviewing aren't big name hires like Leath and some of our ridiculously stupid big donors who need to STFO of this process want. And Archie miller would destroy our current team with his style, boring *** slow bball. He gets lucky with some home court play-in games and now he's a hug hire, smh. Glad I haven't heard his name on the interview list.
Keep our current style and don't change our identity = Otz, Underwood, Prohm, or another NBA like coach. Not boring ***, slow basketball that no recruit looking to pursue professional basketball is going to want to come to Ames to play.
Keep our current style and don't change our identity = Otz, Underwood, Prohm, or another NBA like coach. Not boring ***, slow basketball that no recruit looking to pursue professional basketball is going to want to come to Ames to play.
I wouldn't have a problem with Nick Nurse, but since he's coaching in the NBA, and not the NBDL, I doubt he'll want to give up his position with the Raptors. Nick is another future NBA head coach, IMO.
I don't care if ISU averaged 50 points a game as long as they held the other team to 40 points a game. ISU isn't a big name school where the AD can be picky like that. The most important thing is winning when talking about on the court stuff.
Playing up-tempo might help this current team but ISU should look at the bigger picture here, beyond next year.
Playing up-tempo might help this current team but ISU should look at the bigger picture here, beyond next year.
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would you take slow games if it meant Iowa State would keep winning at the same rate as Hoiberg did, or would you like games in the 80's where ISU was a bubble team every year?
I think he is the best of any of the candidates. Hope he is our next head coach!
I don't think I have to decide between the two.
Also, if we bring in someone who's philosophy was "don't care if we score 50 so long as we hold them to 40" like you described, with the team we have now, it would go down in history as one of the worst decisions ever made in a basketball hiring. Like if someone was hired to coach the current Cleveland Cavaliers, and they decided the key to success was running the offense through Kendrick Perkins. This is not a team built to play grind ball. This is a team built to run.
It's a hypothetical question if you had a voice in who to hire. While Iowa State has a top 10 roster returning, it's very dangerous to put all the eggs into a basket for one season. I'm hoping the guys higher up are considering the future with the present and while I don't have confidence in Pollard all the time, I trust him to think of that when hiring the next coach.
I have to admit, I'm warming to the idea of Prohm. Only if we can keep TJ on board though.
Your hypothetical is a useless false dichotomy. Even as a hypothetical it's useless.
Just as useless as your "all your eggs in one basket" statement. All the eggs are in one basket. They always have been. Bringing in a coach that wants to fit our team of runners and scorers into a grinding defense-first team isn't just a matter of one year. Whoever we bring in has a top 10 roster on their hands. If they don't win with that roster, that's not a little thing of "setting up for the future," that's being the guy who couldn't get out of the driveway when you were handed the keys to a Ferrari with a full tank of gas. That's a hickup that coaches don't overcome. You don't recruit a kid to a school on the promise of "yeah, I know I couldn't win with Niang, Morris, McKay, Long, etc, but if you come to ISU, it'll be different. Doing poorly next year is a road bump no one gets over and keeps their job.
A major part of the hiring process has to be considering how the new coach will handle the fully-fueled Ferrari in the driveway. Iowa State five years ago was a laughing stock job that some mid-major coach left willingly to take a lower-tier job. Iowa State five years ago was in such bad shape that we had to take a flying leap with an unproven coach because he was a hometown boy and cheap. That's how the nation perceived Iowa State five years ago. Today, who becomes our coach is a talking point by national media. People give a crap. Those five years were amazing, but not so amazing that a stumble at this point would be a small thing. We don't get gimme years. Whoever we hire has to take the ball that Fred just tossed (to use a Rugby metaphor) to them, and move it forward towards a touch. And a major part of that is using this year's roster to its full extent. And that means bringing in a coach that will score.
Overlooking other credentials and putting coaching style on a pedestal is a disaster waiting to happen. You don't hire a coach solely because of they are offensive minded or whether they are defensive minded. If it meant Iowa State would still win, I'd take a coach with similar success and style than Floyd. If Iowa State doesn't have a great year next year I doubt Pollard will fire him and will give him time to put his system and recruit his players. The roster will be so different next year that the new coach will have a chance to make an imprint on it soon. I'm not going to consider the new coach a failure right off the bat based off of his first season that doesn't meet expectations.
My "put all eggs in one basket" refers to hiring an offensive coach solely on the fact of this years team and not thinking about the next 3-5 years here. If JP thinks one of the next coaches is similar to Tony Bennett or a Bo Ryan coaching style wise and can succeed on that level, you don't simply ignore them because they don't fit the style of a team that is only going to be together for one year for an offensive coach you are not entirely sold on but "because his teams play fast and average 80 points a game" he should get hired. If JP finds a guy that thinks can be very similar to Hoiberg in terms of style of play and success, then you hire him. If not, you look at what the best option is for the present and the future.
Nobody at Iowa State is going to replace Fred. No matter how hard that person tries, it won't happen, especially with the uniqueness that was "Hoiball".
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I'm surprised more people aren't excited about Altman. Oregon's offensive tempo is fairly fast compared to some of the other teams whose coaches are in the mix. Look at the AdjT data in the article Kirk Haaland posted. I like Prohm, too, but Altman deserves a look. Who cares if his Kansas State teams were bad. That was a long time ago.
ONce again, a conditional hire.
I will make a prediction. IF Otzelberger is not chosen to be the Head Coach and Iowa State chooses a min-major coach, it is entirely possible that Otzelberger leaves sooner rather than later.
And you can not blame him. So many people overlooking his talents and not wishing to promote him.......and then say that it is imperative that we retain HIM to have success with some low-major coach. Otz may stay the one year and do all he can to help the team he knows and help recruited to have success. He is under contract. But I would bet that in a year or so he is definitely gone if one of these low-major coaches gets the job. We would be sending him a message that the job can never be his if he stays.
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