CycloneErik
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Adults get over those things. If something like that kept a good coach away, we don't deserve good coaching here.
Pre-Memorial Day Hoiberg NBA Update
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Adults get over those things. If something like that kept a good coach away, we don't deserve good coaching here.
Honestly, I don't see why ISU didn't want to cover JH's expenses. If they wanted him here, they should be covering his expenses.
Id rather see him stay and that he no longer wants to pursue the NBA option because he loves his job and then see recruiting pick back up!
2016 is probably crushed regardless. At least from a HS perspective. It's late in the game for 2016 HS recruits. Hopefully they don't change the grad transfer rules on us this year because we're going to need them next April.
It would be really pathetic if this is what kept us from trying to make a deal with him happen.
I agree. The longer this goes on, the less respect I have for Fred. JP is to blame as well IMO if there is any kind of rift there, because JP should basically be doing whatever Fred wants within reason, but paying him about 4 million would be within reason IMO.
I think this is a couple of big egos going at it. But if Fred loves ISU like claims he does, then why not put a big buyout in his contract to go to the NBA? The T-Wolves or the Bulls would have no issues paying ISU a million bucks or more to get Fred Hoiberg. Those NBA teams have money like there's no tomorrow. So if Fred leaves, then wouldn't he want ISU to get compensated for that?
And if I were a big donor, there's no way I contribute any $$ for Fred unless I'm guaranteed at least 3 years out of him. If they are going to arrange a deal where Fred stays for one more year, then I'd say just let him go now instead. Our program will be "dead" for a year if Fred only stayed for one more year. No recruits will want to come here at all.
And the more and more I think about this, the more comfortable I am with TJ becoming the next head coach. Mainly because I'm not confident in JP's abilities to get anyone else, but also because I think the continuity might be more important than finding a "top tier" head coach that is going to come in and change everything and then this year's team takes a big step back because they are learning all new concepts.
This year will be CRITICAL for ISU basketball. We have the potential to make a run at the Final Four. But the only way that happens IMO, is if we continue with the same style of play that our players are used to. We can't afford to have someone new come in here and change everything up right now IMO.
I just can't believe Fred is going to leave the school he loves before accomplishing really any of his goals. One Sweet Sixteen is not all that much of an accomplishment really. Granted, it's better than where we've been for a while, and I'm grateful for that, however, I thought Fred was more of a competitor than that? Going out with a horribly coached loss in the first round to a UAB team that had no business being in the game with ISU is an embarrassing way to go out. I just thought Fred was better than that, and cared more about ISU than that? Guess not. His legacy at ISU will now be tarnished somewhat IMO. He'll still be a legacy of course, but just not like he could have been.
Just remember ISU is under contract to our wayward favorite son FH. He has not submitted his formal resignation. So anything going forward will have to be agreeable to Fred or it will not fly. High stakes poker folks. Fred holds some cards in his hand too.
Completly agree. If it wasn't for CFH Pollard would not be held in as high regard as he is today....see Gene Chiz and McD hires..
Do the right thing. PAY THE MAYOR!
That's a roundabout way of saying they're scared of getting Fred angry by proposing a larger buyout?
I would have felt better about Otz had he never left ISU. He was not a part of ISU's 2 most successful seasons under Fred. Even if Otz had 1 recent year under Fred, I'd feel better about it. But coming from UW and going straight to being the HC makes me nervous. Not sure what kind of continuity we'd really be getting.
What in the F are you talking about? This is sarcasm right?
Have you completely forgotten where we were when Fred took over?
I don't get why it would "anger" anyone. We'll pay you more money, in return we want the buyout larger. It is high stakes, I don't see how that comes off as insulting or anything, it's what the donors would like tied to the higher wage.
I'll stick with what I've thought since this whole thing started -
The Bulls want him. Fred's seriously thinking about it. Nobody knows what he's going to do because he doesn't know yet. If he knew one way or the other, it would have leaked from a credible source by now. Ultimately, I think he'll stay. And then next year we'll do this again, and if he stays again, then we'll do it again the following year. Get used to it. The will he stay or go deal is going to come up every spring until he's no longer a hot commodity around the NBA or until he actually bolts.
The Bulls want him. Fred's seriously thinking about it. Nobody knows what he's going to do because he doesn't know yet. If he knew one way or the other, it would have leaked from a credible source by now. Ultimately, I think he'll stay. And then next year we'll do this again, and if he stays again, then we'll do it again the following year. Get used to it. The will he stay or go deal is going to come up every spring until he's no longer a hot commodity around the NBA or until he actually bolts.
Answer me this--who has ISU's best interests at heart right now? Jamie or Fred? For me, it's Jamie and its not even close. Fred is furthering his own interests ($) and dreams (and that is fine). But if he is hoping for a big pay raise only to jump ship to the Timberwolves next year then the donors are absolutely right not to pony up.
Pollard just had a major heart attack a couple of months ago. By rights he could've decided to take it easy but instead he is busting his gut out there for ISU. He has a condition where stress could literally kill him and he is still out there fielding tough questions and doing the dirty work behind the scenes so that ISU basketball can land on its feet after what Fred is putting it through right now. I hope everyone realizes we are lucky to have him as our AD. If you do, send him a note of encouragement--I know it would be huge for him to know that Cyclone fans have his back right now.
What would you like him to do? The jobs are not open yet. Would you resign your job before you had another lined up? Forget that, before you even knew if another was available?
Hey Jeremy,Here’s where we stand going in to the holiday weekend (check my posts over the past week for more depth on some of these items) – and note that all of this is very fluid, continues to change, but is based on multiple sources…
- No formal decision has been made.
- What I posted early yesterday with regards to a possible reversal of momentum continues to hold true.
- The T’Wolves continue to be a big factor in the decision making.
- While money is not the reason Fred would leave, it is always a factor.
- Jamie has reached out to a subset of donors regarding possible monetary offers.
- Many donors I've spoken to don't want to pony up a lot of money just to have an “in principle†agreement in place for Fred to take over the T’Wolves next year, they want a commitment.
- Very few want to simply prolong the inevitable with the possible repercussions of a “lame-duck†coach, though a few seem fine with “one more yearâ€.
- While many donors would request a large increase in the NBA buyout clause of Fred’s contract ($4-5 mil), I hear that there is a lot of reluctance within the AD to even propose that to Fred.
- Much has been suggested about a possible rift between Fred and Jamie, but that is being overblown by some. They have disagreements and different styles, but no more or less than any other successful coach/AD combo.
- The door is not shut on Fred/ISU, I still see some scenarios where he comes back for 1 year (i.e. T’Wolves for ’16-‘17), though very few scenarios where he comes back for 2 or more years.
- Some are leery of a strong push for Hornacek due to past tension between him and other players, coaches, donors. This would be interesting to see unfold moving forward.
- Naturally, JP has a short list to move forward with if Fred leaves and it’s said that there may be a few surprises on that list not currently being discussed, for better or worse.
A couple other points…
- You are and will continue to hear a lot of things leak that benefit one or more parties – that’s the nature of this business.
- I have never and will never post something that is, or I believe is, propaganda to push an agenda.
- I have not and will not just throw **** out there. If I post something, it’s because 2 or more trusted sources state it and I feel it’s legit. Things change and the business world we live in is dynamic and fluid, everybody has been and will be wrong at one time or another.
- I have been wrong in the past and I will be wrong in the future. That doesn't mean what was posted wasn't true at the time. Much of what goes on behind the scenes will never be publicly shared, even if it would help some of us look better if it was.
- I get no financial kickback or incentive for sharing anything, so if you have problems with what I post, too bad
With your obvious connections to trusted sources, and great analysis of things that go on in the Cyclone Sports realm, have you ever thought of starting up a website of "all things Cyclone" where you offer this info free of charge?
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I honestly don't believe this is about money. Pollard has said that CFH has always wanted to be an NBA coach. Think about it....every college player dreams the dream of playing at the highest level. Fred did that, and succeeded. Now he wants to try coaching at that level, and that's his prerogative. We're all thinking of how this affects us personally, my own thoughts are that Fred should do what he wants to do. I know way too many people who have a job they hate, rather than trying for what they love. (Not that Fred hates his current job, AT ALL.) But when you have a chance to achieve your dream, why wouldn't you try?
Remember what happened to the wrestling team when Sanderson bailed with a strong senior class and no recruits behind them? That's what would be set up to happen to basketball if Hoiberg is our coach next year without a clear and unequivocal commitment to be around for the long haul. The nature of basketball means we'd rebound more quickly. But the new coach would basically be starting the program from scratch other than Morris (assuming Monte didn't transfer or go pro after next year).
