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Pre-Memorial Day Hoiberg NBA Update
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CycloneErik
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He could consider ISU in all this and tell the Bulls that if they want him, they need to make it happen now or he withdraws from consideration.
Let's not pretend that Fred is an innocent bystander in this. I totally get that he should be allowed to go to the NBA if that's what he wants but there is a right way and a wrong way to handle ISU's interests and he's getting close to the line where it's harming ISU more than it needs to IMO
The sad thing is the Hoiberg situation could drag out until July, maybe August causing the program to hang in limbo as far as recruiting and such. Otz has got a handle on things now but you gotta think that a statement from Fred addresed to the public has to be imminent. Regardless of if he is staying or going.
I agree with others that, if CFH becomes the T-Wolves coach in principle for 2016-17, it could hurt ISU in recruiting. However, if TJ is named the HC in-waiting, I could see the potential damage being controlled quite a bit. NOW, this does not mean that I am fully in support of TJ as our next head coach (I'm not sure where I stand on that one) - but I wonder if this is what might play out.
I agree with this, however, it is in regards to this where I think we all thought Fred Hoiberg might be different than a Gene Chizik type guy who has no allegiance to ISU whatsoever.
When we brought Fred in as our new head basketball coach, I think we all thought we were getting a guy that absolutely loved ISU and bled cardinal and gold. And because of that, I think we all believed that Fred would do what was in the best interest of him and his family, but also would consider what was best for ISU as well.
Well, it turns out that Fred really isn't any different than any other head coach that is mostly out for themselves it appears. And yes, it pains me a lot to say that. But I think it's true.
Fred is watching out for Fred, which is fine, I just think we all wished he still had a soft spot for ISU somewhere in him, but maybe he doesn't. If he does end up leaving ISU this year, and quits on guys like Niang, Naz, McKay, Morris, etc.... and still hasn't won even a Big 12 title or gone any further than one Sweet Sixteen appearance, I just do NOT want to hear in his press conference how much ISU means to him and how hard it is for him to be leaving. Leave that BS for someone else Fred, because I'm not buying it. You used ISU just to get where you personally wanted to get and nothing more, and you know it. You aren't any different than the John Calipari's of the world.... say you love where you are only until something better comes along.
Holding ISU hostage and making demands is not the way I figured Fred would go out. Oh well. Disappointing.
If Fred isn't willing to sign a contract with an extremely large NBA buyout then he needs to just take an NBA job now. I've already lost a huge amount of respect for him with the way he is dragging this out. **** or get off the pot Fred. If you want to coach in the NBA go coach in the NBA. Don't continue to jerk ISU fans around like a crazy freshman girlfriend.
This! I don't see the big push for JH... I think "Hoiball" is actually more important for ISU to remain relevant than Hoiberg or any coach. If ISU can prove to keep that style of play going without Hoiberg then we are going to be in fair shape going forward. I would think recruits look at that more than the coach, although Hoiberg was the architect here, it can exist without him.
And really thats probably why he feels comfortable leaving. He believes he has established a blueprint and clearly thinks TJ can run with that.
Fred has 3 options: 1. Take Bulls job or Timberwolves job now. 2. Coach next year with his current contract. If he did this we would know we'd be going through this again next year. 95% of fans would be ok with this though. 3. Sign a big contract with a large nba buyout.
He is a long shot to come here and it has nothing to do how he was treated. His goals and current location do not line up with what ISU would offer.
The situation is not fair to anybody. If you love who you work for you don't have one foot in and one foot out. Make a decision. If you want to go coach in the NBA go do it. If you want to coach ISU come out and make a statement. Allow a buyout to be put in that show you have a long term commitment. This has been a very selfish move by a few people that impact allot of young peoples lives.
I just want this to be over with. I'm in the party that says "Fred needs to leave now or stay for the long haul. This 'every summer he may leave' scenario doesn't nothing but hurt us especially in recruiting.
I would absolutely take him for just one year. How well this year's team does could significantly elevate ISU's profile even more and Fred continuing to coach the team is preferable to another coach coming in with a different system.
1. Who the heck do we even have as options for getting as a coach now? This is really crappy timing. Hurts recruiting and a coach search.
2. The buyout is paid by his new NBA employer so i have no issue with uping that considerably. No reason we can't ask for a 2 mil buyout clause.
3. I still have an issue with him using us as a stepping stone. Really screws over a program to not have some long term consistency in coaching (which we've not had since Orr).
4. I hate the NBA.
2. The buyout is paid by his new NBA employer so i have no issue with uping that considerably. No reason we can't ask for a 2 mil buyout clause.
3. I still have an issue with him using us as a stepping stone. Really screws over a program to not have some long term consistency in coaching (which we've not had since Orr).
4. I hate the NBA.
Very well said. I wish JP would say this to Fred. Instead, he tells fans to "step away from the ledge."
hornecek basically plays hoiball now.
And I am not sure why we assume Fred thinks tj could take over for him. Jamie does. And influential people on here do. But honestly the more they promote him the more I wonder.
Yes, unfortunately this has probably impacted a lot of people's opinion of Fred even though its probably 99% fault of the Bulls management that has drug this out far longer than Hoiberg anticipated.
I'm moving into the camp that says 'commit or gtfo'.
I really don't care about Fred's NBA dreams...at least not to the point it hurts ISU MBB. We hired him with zero experience as a coach because we thought he could do the job and that he wouldn't move onto greener pastures. After this year we've got massive holes and having a lame duck in the seat isn't going to bring in anyone worth having.
If he doesn't like a big NBA buyout...or isn't willing to give us 5 years...then go with God. Go live your dream someplace else...but ISU isn't a holding spot to wait out your dream NBA offer. Go coach some ****** NBA team and wait out your dream job on THEIR dimes.
I really don't care about Fred's NBA dreams...at least not to the point it hurts ISU MBB. We hired him with zero experience as a coach because we thought he could do the job and that he wouldn't move onto greener pastures. After this year we've got massive holes and having a lame duck in the seat isn't going to bring in anyone worth having.
If he doesn't like a big NBA buyout...or isn't willing to give us 5 years...then go with God. Go live your dream someplace else...but ISU isn't a holding spot to wait out your dream NBA offer. Go coach some ****** NBA team and wait out your dream job on THEIR dimes.
