If they had not made their point after hundreds of postings, what will hundreds more accomplish? And more - and more - threads? And are they concerned about it, or thrilled by it? That's my point.
Bubu Thread
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If they had not made their point after hundreds of postings, what will hundreds more accomplish? And more - and more - threads? And are they concerned about it, or thrilled by it? That's my point.
Who was intoxicated? If they're both intoxicated, who gets to claim rape? First come first served? If they claim it at the same time do they get a second chance if they both say "jinx?"
Who was having sex while intoxicated? Him? Her? The other guy? Did anyone perform a breathalyzer on any of the participating parties that night?
True, and like somebody pointed out, if we're going to go back and blame BuBu for setting off this mess because he had sex with a drunk girl, why not blame the girl for calling BuBu from the bars instead of her boyfriend in the first place. And though some of us may think it's immoral to have pre-marital sex whether the girl is drunk or not, how many on here can really say they've never had sex with a drunk woman. How many times do you think that happens every week-end on the ISU campus? We don't even know for sure that BuBu has admitted to that, but the theory of some is that he must have admitted to that and that's why he got kicked off the team by Leath a 2nd time. Is that a legitimate reason to be kicked off a sports team, and if so, can any mad girlfriend after lying and failing with the county attorney turn to Leath and expect her athlete boyfriend to get booted? Because the Leath defenders are saying what Leath did was legitimate if BuBu admitted to having sex with a drunk girl.
And that was the basis for the decision on the sexual misconduct? I don't recall this being acknowledged. If so, by whom? What was her BAC during the incident? Was it documented by investigative authorities? What level is considered intoxicated by the code?
Speaking for myself I am baffled by it and downright angry that this whole mess has risen its ugly head again after we thought it was over and done with last January. And now it's bigger than ever with no end in sight. Sick about this coming up again may be a better description of how I feel. And I guess I am still hoping that there will be enough public pressure to force ISU to settle this before it goes to trial and real damage is done to our athletics, maybe even cost us a great coach. Imo supporting Leath in what to me are actions that are undefensible only makes a settlement less possible and an upcoming trial more probable.
Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...
This is bubu's 5th year, so unless he got an ncaa waiver he wouldn't have been able to play anywhere else unless he went d2
This is bubu's 5th year, so unless he got an ncaa waiver he wouldn't have been able to play anywhere else unless he went d2
Actually, that sounds like a rationale and justifiably sound argument by a Kangaroo Court, so maybe CyDude16 is on to something here.
Why is the accuser allowed to make an appeal with no new evidence or information? Why was her appeal given any serious consideration given the fact that she was caught red-handed fabricating evidence?
This whole mess just gives the impression that this is just one giant kangaroo court.
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Agreed. Clearly the university interprets "incapacitated" much differently than it is intended in the law (the code of conduct cites the legal standard so they should be the same) based on what many on here have said they are now told in freshman orientation. Based on the legal standard you have to no longer be in control of your actions. This is a high bar. She made a call to bubu to arrange a pick up (an act demonstrating she was in control) she recalled the event in her testimony, she testified that she was able to make a decision and did not consent (based on original allegations) hence I would imagine this was enough to demonstrate she was not likely legally incapacitated in the eyes of the prosecuter, the alj and the DC. But Leath and Ms. Stahle may have seen it differently. Also, they are contending he can be charged with one violation then found guilty of another on appeal to leath (from the appeal papers). This is odd and unusual for procedural grievances as a defendant wasn't defending against that charge (shouldn't the process start over?). Anyway, that is the only explanation that makes semi sense and somewhat explains Leath's bizarre behavior in a somewhat ethical light so I hope it's true even if I disagree with it. But again has a lot of holes still.
Ok, so sex while intoxicated is against the ISU code of conduct. Kick everyone out guilty of that and you will have 4 people left on campus. This argument gets more ridiculous as it goes on. Unfortunately, that really is how stupid this reasoning could be. Women who drink don't have to take any responsibility for their actions. Sorry, that is a lightning rod of a statement to make and I realize this. In no way am I saying that a guy should take advantage of a passed out woman but this whole two people are drunk and the woman has regrets so the guy is violating some BS code of conduct is just that, BS!
If he isn't lying that's even more damning of ISU. How could they let a known rapist stay in school? Also does the he excelled academically argument make sense to anyone? So if he was a bad student they would have kicked him out? Or if he was a better basketball player they would have let him play? Really what does academic performance have to do with punishing a alleged rapist?
Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...
I don't think people "automatically" side with the athlete. He's not ideal, but in the past year and a half he has endured a criminal investigation, losing basically a year of doing the thing he loves with people akin to his family, and having his name and reputation dragged through the mud repeatedly by what amounts to an arbitrary kangaroo court. I think he's paid his dues for having sex with an allegedly drunk girl who then fabricated evidence against him. Meanwhile, the actions of the University and BoR give the impression that they will go to any lengths necessary (Fair or not) to ensure that he never plays basketball for ISU again, even so far as delaying his proceedings to the point where even if Bubu is eventually found innocent of everything regarding the CoC, he wouldn't be able to play.
I don't think people "automatically" side with the athlete. He's not ideal, but in the past year and a half he has endured a criminal investigation, losing basically a year of doing the thing he loves with people akin to his family, and having his name and reputation dragged through the mud repeatedly by what amounts to an arbitrary kangaroo court. I think he's paid his dues for having sex with an allegedly drunk girl who then fabricated evidence against him. Meanwhile, the actions of the University and BoR give the impression that they will go to any lengths necessary (Fair or not) to ensure that he never plays basketball for ISU again, even so far as delaying his proceedings to the point where even if Bubu is eventually found innocent of everything regarding the CoC, he wouldn't be able to play.
I meant I don't think the poster was lying that this ISU higher up told him he was 100% sure BuBu did something wrong. I wouldn't say the same about the ISU higher up.
Leath doesn't know what happens during Veisha does he?
Or weekends.. Or any night really. Pathetic.
Or weekends.. Or any night really. Pathetic.
Technically if you get drunk and slept with your wife she is a rapist by that standard even if you don't have regret as they are saying you couldn't give legal consent.
