Question for negative posters
- Thread starter Redman97
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At this point in time, what is there to be positive about? The defense is trying hard, and played pretty well today, but the offense is horrible, and if there is some glimmer of hope out there, it is pretty well hidden right now.
What is really frustrating about today is with 2 lousy minutes left in the game and up by 3 and with the ball, no one on ISU could make that play to end to game. Not the offense, not the punter, not the defense. :sad:
What is really frustrating about today is with 2 lousy minutes left in the game and up by 3 and with the ball, no one on ISU could make that play to end to game. Not the offense, not the punter, not the defense. :sad:
We won't only focus on winning or losing. We will suck it up and still point out the individual performances that deserve some kind of credit. From my view, Rodney Coe and Jevohn Miller stepped up today. Nealy brought us all to our feet with a long *** kick return for a td. Those things at the least are things to be excited about.
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Anyone that predicted more than 4 wins with what was coming back doesn't know football.
This pretty much sums it up. For me, it just gets old that somehow you're just not supposed to use an objective measuring stick to quantify the results of ISU football. This season has been one big dose of (offensive) ineptitude save for about six quarters of football. Offense scores 7 and then 10 points against bottom half of the conference teams in successive weeks and you're supposed to see some positives? Maybe I see some on the defense, but it just gets old watching drives sputter and critical plays missed. I'm not a fire Rhoads guy by any means. That just doesn't make sense. But, everyone is just kidding themselves if they think this turns around next year without a major league infusion of offensive brain power and coaching capability. Even with that, we might be looking at a year of transition, just to clean up the mess that's going to be left behind.
Its not cool to criticize players who don't get paid. The money that coaches, especially head coaches, get paid makes criticism of them more than fair game. We the fans contribute to the sports economy that results in their being paid millions of dollars. Of course, personal attacks are never cool.
For the record, comparing Rhoads and Hoiberg is apples and oranges. Hoiberg is competitive within the Big 12, Rhoads is not. Hoiberg has winning seasons in the Big 12, Rhoads has not. Conference records of 3-5, 3-5, 3-6, 3-6 and 0-6 in football do not compare to 3-13, 12-6, 11-7 in basketball.
I like Rhoads. I'm hopeful he can be the guy for a breakthrough in football for ISU. He deserves another full season. Bad seasons, even horrible seasons, do happen. But he's got massive issues to fix, especially a five-year problem on the offensive side of the ball. But expectations are way too low if we're heralding Rhoads for the work done so far. We've had some awesome signature wins, but the seasons as a whole have been nothing special as you look at the history of ISU football.
For the record, comparing Rhoads and Hoiberg is apples and oranges. Hoiberg is competitive within the Big 12, Rhoads is not. Hoiberg has winning seasons in the Big 12, Rhoads has not. Conference records of 3-5, 3-5, 3-6, 3-6 and 0-6 in football do not compare to 3-13, 12-6, 11-7 in basketball.
I like Rhoads. I'm hopeful he can be the guy for a breakthrough in football for ISU. He deserves another full season. Bad seasons, even horrible seasons, do happen. But he's got massive issues to fix, especially a five-year problem on the offensive side of the ball. But expectations are way too low if we're heralding Rhoads for the work done so far. We've had some awesome signature wins, but the seasons as a whole have been nothing special as you look at the history of ISU football.
Please.
So, it wasn't possible that we could beat UNI, Iowa, Tulsa, Kansas and/or West Virginia/TCU?
I'm sure some people might have been of the mindset that CPR might actually figure out how to put a semblance of a BCS level offense on the field.
Why do you care? If it's all sunshine an lollipops why didn't you state you're proud of the coaches? I'm not going to apologize for being enough of a fan to be ****ed off. This offense is rudderless and you should be upset for those players you're proud of. I'm proud of them too and they deserve a lot better. This offense will win zero games going forward and it's on the coaching staff.
Also, we disagree on moral victories. (Just one persons opinion but...) You are what your record says you are.
I think the coaching staff deserves plenty of criticism.
As I have said before....the fans have done their part. They have come through with virtually everything that was supposed to be needed in terms of facilities and support in order to make this a successful program. As has been mentioned in other threads today....the fan support is still there. How many 1-7 soon to be 1-8 teams have a virtual sell-out.....even if it was homecoming? The fans deserve better, and at the VERY LEAST, they deserve the right to voice their opinions in the form of criticism of this program and the coaching staff.
The problem is, CPR, by ISU standards had quite a bit of success in his first 4 years. Some bowl games, some big wins, and a great deal of enthusiasm put back into the program. There was a genuine feeling of momentum.
Now, almost suddenly, we have had reality forced upon us. This is not a good program right now, and that results in what we see on the field week after week. Forget the injuries. This team was not good in games 1 or 2 when they had no or few injuries. This is the 5th year of a program, and we have many on here that say ISU is just re-building. Re-building from what exactly? A 6-7 team last year? Another 3-6 record in conference? If that is what ISU is re-building from then the program is in serious trouble.
The other reality is that we have to question whether or not Rhoads first of all recognizes the problem with the offense, and secondly, does he know the correct steps to fix it? The other thing that becomes very clear is that the recruiting has not been all that good over the last few years. If it had been, the injuries would not have been as big of a problem this year, and we likely would not be talking about how young ISU is, or about re-building. The third reality is that ISU does not seem to develop personnel very well, particularly on the offense. Players like White and Johnson were pretty major contributors last year. Now, in their senior years......they aren't good enough? On this offense? White has not touched the ball in 2 weeks.
I think this is why people are rightfully criticizing so much. Fans have done their part over the last five years to build this program. What the hell have the coaches been doing? If fans were doing the same quality of work as the coaches, about 15.000 would have shown up today and most of the students would have found something better to do.
Simply put, ISU fans deserve much, much better than this crap. The very least that should be afforded them is to criticize as much as they want.
As I have said before....the fans have done their part. They have come through with virtually everything that was supposed to be needed in terms of facilities and support in order to make this a successful program. As has been mentioned in other threads today....the fan support is still there. How many 1-7 soon to be 1-8 teams have a virtual sell-out.....even if it was homecoming? The fans deserve better, and at the VERY LEAST, they deserve the right to voice their opinions in the form of criticism of this program and the coaching staff.
The problem is, CPR, by ISU standards had quite a bit of success in his first 4 years. Some bowl games, some big wins, and a great deal of enthusiasm put back into the program. There was a genuine feeling of momentum.
Now, almost suddenly, we have had reality forced upon us. This is not a good program right now, and that results in what we see on the field week after week. Forget the injuries. This team was not good in games 1 or 2 when they had no or few injuries. This is the 5th year of a program, and we have many on here that say ISU is just re-building. Re-building from what exactly? A 6-7 team last year? Another 3-6 record in conference? If that is what ISU is re-building from then the program is in serious trouble.
The other reality is that we have to question whether or not Rhoads first of all recognizes the problem with the offense, and secondly, does he know the correct steps to fix it? The other thing that becomes very clear is that the recruiting has not been all that good over the last few years. If it had been, the injuries would not have been as big of a problem this year, and we likely would not be talking about how young ISU is, or about re-building. The third reality is that ISU does not seem to develop personnel very well, particularly on the offense. Players like White and Johnson were pretty major contributors last year. Now, in their senior years......they aren't good enough? On this offense? White has not touched the ball in 2 weeks.
I think this is why people are rightfully criticizing so much. Fans have done their part over the last five years to build this program. What the hell have the coaches been doing? If fans were doing the same quality of work as the coaches, about 15.000 would have shown up today and most of the students would have found something better to do.
Simply put, ISU fans deserve much, much better than this crap. The very least that should be afforded them is to criticize as much as they want.
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the players are getting their educations paid for and the coaches are making more money than 95% of the people on this board. it is not ******* everyone gets to play pee wee football anymore. we spend thousands of dollars each to watch and support this team. when they are returning that investment with a gigantic pile of steaming ****, the fans have a right to be 'negative'.
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Anger is the first stage that leads to apathy.
CPR needs to take immediate (and I think he will) to clean house of assistants and get the program on track.
CPR needs to take immediate (and I think he will) to clean house of assistants and get the program on track.
Don't wax poetic on me about how much it sucks to be an ISU fan because you give "so much" and the results don't match your expectations. We've only recently even begun to be mediocre in our support of the football program. We are getting EXACTLY what, historically, we should be getting. If all you are seeking in your football "investments" is a short-term return on investment, go donate to Alabama and cheer for them. Until then, stop embarrassing yourself and this fan base by having a mental breakdown every time we lose.
FIFY-- while the D doesn't get a complete pass, they have performed well enough at times this season for us to have won a few more games -- they've been on the field far too long, AGAIN, this year.
Nutless bleeding hearts in my opinion. If you ask me, this is why ISU is still in this situation. Being happy to be mediocre and being content to not suck that bad. There is a reason that successful programs are successful. They don't even accept mediocrity. I'm not saying we have to only win Championships or our coaches are gone, but we definitely need to up our standards. I'm sorry, losing to UNI on route to a 1-11 season is not acceptable. I don't care what was done in the past. You can't build a program with this type of season.
What about us fans that have been donating 12+ years? When do we get results? Do tell...
