Oklahoma St. vs. Iowa State
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Definitely the last two games of our regular season....probably the worst I have seen. WV game was not great, but the last two were just downright terrible.
This observation needs some photo validation! No sure this lives up to her usual standard although business attire it is not.
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So then please don't wonder why it's geting harder to recruit referees - and I try very hard to get them started. Just from sitting in the crowd, they notice the fans and coaches relentlessly screaming at officials, and so then they say no thanks. So, what you get are the ones who maybe like the spotlight, or are the control freaks.
The ones that you want, you know, those that just love the game and want to ensure fair play and enforce the rules, don't want the abuse...
Do they also notice that that's what happens when officials completely lose control of the game, like they did about 10 minutes into the game last night? Seems like that'd be a good teaching moment.
Exactly. I think coaches, players, and fans are all smart enough to realize that the officials aren't going to get every single call correct. Human error will never be completely taken out of the game. With that being said I think the coaches, players, and fans get upset because the calls in these games show absolutely no consistency. On one play a hand check is called and then on the next play there is a blatant hack job on a drive to the basket and no whistle. The officials this year in both womens and mens games have been absolutely awful at making consistent calls. It has become what appears to be officials deciding what calls to make or not make based on time, score, and what teams are playing. The rules are the rules... if a player commits a foul you blow the whistle regardless of time, score, or what teams are playing and they certainly shouldn't be conciously trying to influence the outcome of games by selectively calling fouls.
One last thing... Ejecting fans from games should be left up to the host institutions arena management not the officials. The only time the officials should be able to eject a fan from the arena is if they are making verbal threats or physically a threat to the officials. In any other cases the officials can STFU and grow a pair. Being called out by fans in a packed arena is what you get when you can't do your job properly.
I understand this and have worn both shirts as coach and official. As an official you block the fans out pretty quickly. Your entire focus has to be on the event. If its not, then you aren't doing your job and aren't capable of doing your job. Just last week when we played KU at home I felt the officiating wasn't perfect, but it was fair and equal. Other than the once in a while crowd disagreement with a call it was pretty tame as far as officials go. Do your job and what we saw and heard last night never happens.
Michael "Rabbit Ears" Price has been at the WBB Final Four 6 of the last 8 seasons.
Lisa "Guns" Jones has called a national semifinal or final in each of the past 5 seasons.
In theory, that means someone at the NCAA thinks they are among the best officials at that level. That speaks volumes about the state of officiating in women's basketball.
Lisa "Guns" Jones has called a national semifinal or final in each of the past 5 seasons.
In theory, that means someone at the NCAA thinks they are among the best officials at that level. That speaks volumes about the state of officiating in women's basketball.
I have asked this before, and never really got an answer.
Are the officials who ref women's college games paid the same as those who ref men's games? Also, do officials ref both men's and women's games in the same season? Finally, how much movement is there between conferences? Do they ref Big Ten one night, then ACC, then Big 12, etc.? I'm just curious how it works because I have no idea.
Are the officials who ref women's college games paid the same as those who ref men's games? Also, do officials ref both men's and women's games in the same season? Finally, how much movement is there between conferences? Do they ref Big Ten one night, then ACC, then Big 12, etc.? I'm just curious how it works because I have no idea.
Or it means that who officiates at the NCAA tournament is as political as just about everything else.
Keep in mind that Ed Hightower has officiated in a dozen Final Fours.
I believe there is a difference in pay, but wbb refs still make a good chunk of change for their job. Fennelly has talked about how much their pay is per game during his public luncheons at the MU and it was surprising exactly how much they make (someone else will have to chime in if they know because I don't remember the actual figure now).
People usually work a region and are not necessarily bound to work at venues in only one conference. You will see people like Dee Kantner work games all over the country - usually the national tv games ("media *****" is what we call her - half in jest, half not). Otherwise, you can see many of the faces you recognize at Hilton doing games in the Big 10, MVC, etc. I don't know that they are required to have a contract with specific leagues, but obviously there is no exclusivity.
Last week, a story in the Ames paper said that the refs were "independent contractors." I do not know what the ramifications are, if this is true, but I do wonder how much control--say, as far as ref training might be concerned--the Big 12 Conference can exert over officials.
An interesting article from 4 years ago:
The Life of a Referee - NYTimes.com
I would guess that men's officials are paid approx. twice as much as women's.
As to training, I officiate women's small college VB. It is my understanding that volleyball was the last sport to have the official's training co-opted by the NCAA (a few years ago). The reason they were last is that there was/is an organization (PAVO) that did an exemplary job of communicating with and training officials, and the NCAA was content to let them do it until a few years ago. Now - all of the training is a coordinated effort between the NCAA and PAVO.
For VB, there are regional training clinics that, I'm sure, are required for D1 officials to attend. Each conference has an assignor, and most officials work for multiple conferences. There IS competition for sought after officials. I just work D3 and NAIA, and I started accepting assignments for this fall in January.
The NCAA and PAVO also jointly disseminate information, including rules interpretation letters and videos during the season, through a website called ArbiterSports. I currently have 8 separate ID's on Arbiter for different conferences and the NCAA. Many, if not most, conference assignors also use Arbiter to schedule officials. I receive notice from Arbiter that I have new assignments, and I have about 7 days to accept or decline the assignment.
Not sure how analogous this is to BB, but I suspect the processes are essentially similar. Hope this information has been helpful/interesting to some.
The Life of a Referee - NYTimes.com
I would guess that men's officials are paid approx. twice as much as women's.
As to training, I officiate women's small college VB. It is my understanding that volleyball was the last sport to have the official's training co-opted by the NCAA (a few years ago). The reason they were last is that there was/is an organization (PAVO) that did an exemplary job of communicating with and training officials, and the NCAA was content to let them do it until a few years ago. Now - all of the training is a coordinated effort between the NCAA and PAVO.
For VB, there are regional training clinics that, I'm sure, are required for D1 officials to attend. Each conference has an assignor, and most officials work for multiple conferences. There IS competition for sought after officials. I just work D3 and NAIA, and I started accepting assignments for this fall in January.
The NCAA and PAVO also jointly disseminate information, including rules interpretation letters and videos during the season, through a website called ArbiterSports. I currently have 8 separate ID's on Arbiter for different conferences and the NCAA. Many, if not most, conference assignors also use Arbiter to schedule officials. I receive notice from Arbiter that I have new assignments, and I have about 7 days to accept or decline the assignment.
Not sure how analogous this is to BB, but I suspect the processes are essentially similar. Hope this information has been helpful/interesting to some.
