Teams
Forum List
Toggle sidebar

***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

Status
Not open for further replies.
TCU was added because they were immediately available and we had to plug a hole. They're a much better football program than Louisville, and THE BIG 12 MODEL ISN'T BUILT ON TV MARKETS LIKE THE BIG 10. Its built on having entertaining games and drawing ratings, which it has done pretty well so far.

Once we were in position to hunt and add a quality school, West Virginia was a MUCH better option than Louisville and its not even close.
 
chuckd4735 said:
I highly doubt it. Louisville does not bring in good money. Its a small market (50th) and a small fanbase (73rd). If the Big 12 wants to get to 16 teams (which I doubt they really care about), I would think they would be looking at teams like Clemson, Virgina Tech, Miaimi (FL), Florida State, U Conn, and Notre Dame.
Click to expand...

Exactly. Can't these people read that Louisville is not bringing any money to the ACC? If they aren't making the ACC money, they sure as hell aren't going to make the Big 12 money.

This is the ACC's version of us adding TCU.
 
The ACC is clinging for life grabbing whatever it can get. Louisville isn't as important to expansion as you all would think. Crappy academics / decent athletics but a terrible market. There's much better universities to poach.
 
ISUAgronomist said:
TCU brings a media market we already own. ALL OF TEXAS. There was no market gain adding them. Find a city in Texas where you can't watch a Big 12 football game...
Click to expand...

Clark said:
That tv market was still infinately larger than the market TCU brought in, which was zero.
Click to expand...

I get that, but Louisville is a small market and a small fanbase. It would of been a net loss for the Big 12, and not worth it at all.
 
UNIGuy4Cy said:
Lets not be dumb here, this was a direct shot by the ACC at the Big 12.
Click to expand...

Louisville to join ACC, replacing Maryland as league's 14th member - Pete Thamel - SI.com

From Pete Thamel at SI.com:

A source with knowledge of the ACC's discussions said a big reason that the ACC moved so quickly to add Louisville was that the Big 12 also had interest in the Cardinals.
Click to expand...

Louisville was always considered a logical candidate for the Big 12, as it would give West Virginia a geographic partner. The looming question is whether Big 12 presidents feel pressure to expand from 10 schools now that the Pac-12 (12), SEC (14), ACC (14), and Big Ten (14) are all significantly bigger.
Click to expand...
 
Al_4_State said:
Exactly. Can't these people read that Louisville is not bringing any money to the ACC? If they aren't making the ACC money, they sure as hell aren't going to make the Big 12 money.

This is the ACC's version of us adding TCU.
Click to expand...

Like I said, the ACC failed big time by not adding U Conn.
 
Some quotes from the ESPN article:

The ACC also considered UConn and Cincinnati for membership. However, sources told ESPN the league only wanted Louisville because there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC can add more schools at a later date if the ACC lost any other schools
Click to expand...

The addition of Louisville will not affect the ACC's new media rights deal. When the ACC added Notre Dame in all sports but football in September, sources told ESPN the ACC's media rights deal was expected to increase to about $18 million annually.
Click to expand...

It should be abundantly obvious why the Big 12 is not adding Louisville.
 
ISUAgronomist said:
"We have to have "x" games in Texas every year to pull in Texas recruits"

What are we selling the great Florida kids each year that we pull in...
Click to expand...
Culture of the states is completely different. Kids raised in Texas are taught that Texas is the greatest state in the nation, and that nothing else can compete with it. It is unlike any other state in that regard. The hubris makes recruiting Texas very hard if you are not going to give them a chance to play in the "mother land". Florida and most other states will have kids that aren't taught to hate all other locales, and will be much more open to pulling up their stakes.
 
Last edited:
CarrollCyclone said:
Louisville to*join ACC, replacing Maryland as league's 14th member - Pete Thamel - SI.com

From Pete Thamel at SI.com:
Click to expand...

A source with knowledge of the ACC's discussions said a big reason that the ACC moved so quickly to add Louisville was that the Big 12 also had interest in the Cardinals.

Who's the "source"? TheDudeofWV???

Also found this interesting from the ESPN article...


However, sources told ESPN the league only wanted Louisville because there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC can add more schools at a later date if the ACC lost any other schools.
 
ISUAgronomist said:
"We have to have "x" games in Texas every year to pull in Texas recruits"

What are we selling the great Florida kids each year that we pull in...
Click to expand...

I'm all for the Big 12 getting Miami and Florida State. My dream scenario would be to add Clemson, Virginia Tech, Miami, Florida State, UConn and Notre Dame.
 
Last edited:
brett108 said:
Culture of the states is completely different. Kids raised in Texas are taught that Texas is the greatest state in the nation, and that nothing else can compete with it. It is unlike any other state in the nation in that regard. The hubris makes recruiting Texas very hard if you are not going to give them a chance to play in the "mother land". Florida and most other states will have kids that aren't taught to hate all other locales, and will be much more open to pulling up their stakes.
Click to expand...

It's so sad those kids are lead to believe such rubbish.
 
FarminCy said:
I personally would have rather had Louisville than TCU.
Click to expand...

Yeah, we screwed that up at the time. TCU was readily available, so we got them to plug the Hole that A&M left. We couldn't drop below 10 because it would nullify the TV contracts, and the conference may have fallen apart. So then when Mizzou left it took so long for all that to unfold because we had to get all our ducks in a row with WV, and they had to sue the Big East to get out immediately.

If we would have known Mizzou was gonna follow A&M, maybe we go after a tandem like WV and Louisville, but Mizzou was telling us they were committed, so we grabbed TCU since they were kind of in Limbo, and could get out of the Big East fairly easily.
 
chuckd4735 said:
I'm all for the Big 12 getting Miami and Florida State.
Click to expand...

This... Miami (barring bad sanctions) is on the verge of becoming a relevant team again, and combined with FSU the BigXII would have the entire Florida market minus Gainesville
 
BloodyBuddy said:
Yeah, we screwed that up at the time. TCU was readily available, so we got them to plug the Hole that A&M left. We couldn't drop below 10 because it would nullify the TV contracts, and the conference may have fallen apart. So then when Mizzou left it took so long for all that to unfold because we had to get all our ducks in a row with WV, and they had to sue the Big East to get out immediately.

If we would have known Mizzou was gonna follow A&M, maybe we go after a tandem like WV and Louisville, but Mizzou was telling us they were committed, so we grabbed TCU since they were kind of in Limbo, and could get out of the Big East fairly easily.
Click to expand...

Exactly. Louisville is probably a little better add than TCU, but we did what we had to do to keep our TV contracts alive, and in the end healthy.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Help Support Us

Become a patron
Top Bottom