For the Lebron haters...

I don't really care for the NBA, but Lebron just doesn't seem like a very likeable guy. Certainly not like a Kevin Durant who seems like a very down to Earth, genuinely good guy, I think Lebron is a thug, or at least acts like a thug.

I'm not a Lebron lover or hater, but I'm curious how you've come to the conclusion that he's a thug. He's never struck me that way. Arrogant? Absolutely. Thug? How?
 
That's sort of revisionist history. All of the superstars were not on separate teams.

What championship team did Micheal Jordan play on that didn't have at least one other Hall of Fame player on it?

Larry Bird?

How about Magic?

Isaiah Thomas?

that's 14 of the championship teams during the 20 year period you named. That was the golden age of basketball, and plenty of stars played on the same team.

I was just going to make that point. Bird played alongside three other hall of famers at one point in his career - Parish, McHale, and Dennis Johnson. Magic had Kareem and James Worthy.
 
I'm not a Lebron lover or hater, but I'm curious how you've come to the conclusion that he's a thug. He's never struck me that way. Arrogant? Absolutely. Thug? How?
Maybe that's the wrong word, maybe a-hole is more accurate?
 
But he is better than the rest of the league. It's not that close either. The Decision was poorly executed, he owed it to Cleveland to tell them earlier, but at the same time no other player has ever been courted in free agency like LeBron was. The Knicks began shedding salaries to get space to sign him three years before he was a free agent. Almost half the teams in the league were trying to dump salary at the trade deadline so they had room to sign him. The pursuit of LeBron was unlike any other NBA player ever.

As for Cleveland not having a shot to win, LeBron had one of the all time greatest playoff series ever against Orlando. He was incredibly clutch that series too. He did everything he possible could to win that series. And the Cavs still lost. The next year he watched Antwan Jamison and Mo Williams come up small over and over again against the Celtics. He put up a 27/19/10 in the elimination loss. In '08, LeBron scored 45 in Game 7 against Boston and the Cavs lost.

LeBron was clutch over and over again for the Cavs, but the media narrative became LeBron isn't clutch and lacks a killer instinct and the revisionist history of his time with Cleveland was written. LeBron was the only reason the Cavs were anywhere near the Finals to say "he had teams to win, he just didn't do it" is incredibly ignorant. The Cavs were a 25 win team being turned into a title contender by one man.

Well said. Incredibly ignorant post you replied to. Lebron is the best player in the entire world and just got his first ring. Several more to come I assume. And no he's not MJ and no he's not Magic Johnson. He just might be both...
 
I'm indifferent. His style is different than mine...meaning, I liked how Durant approached his resigning the same summer (simple 'thank you' and moved on), not a spectacle. BUT, James is a talent and has a brand that he (and others) are making money on.

I think of even last nights game, the Battier, Miller, and Chalmers of that ream REALLY helped make the win happen, but guys like that were not brought out on stage when he came to Miami.

I also agree with many other posters...the media is as much to blame for things as we are.
 
I honestly have never completely understood why everyone hates LeBron. IMO, the guy has a lot of unnecessary hate geared towards him. However, I completely understand why people don't like the Heat, and I'm one of them. I'm never going to be a fan of trying to buy championships (although I'm a Cubs fan and they arguably tired to do this). I miss the old NBA where all the superstars were on separate teams and all loved playing against each other trying to prove that they were the best. Watching the Dream Team documentary REALLY made me miss it.

All that being said, the new way of the NBA is what we have, and I'm not sure we will ever have an NBA like we did in the 80's and early 90's.

Ill be the first person to admit that what the Heat did last night may be one of the greatest playoff performances ever, and easily one of the best close-out performances ever.

Guys this is professional sports. EVERY team is trying to "buy a championship" because they pay their players to try to win championships. This team just went about it a different way. Also agree with others talking about how no great player does it alone. 99% of championship teams include multiple hall of fame players.
 
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How do you feel about this guy now? Still hate him? Like him any better?

I felt pretty neutral about Labron until watching him play in the finals. Now I like him...he seems like a team guy and is a very humble winner. I'm not sure I'm a fan yet, but I he's a great player and I think deserves his day in the sun.
i care more about what that chick from the jersey shore names her baby -- nada
 
4. Not sure why people think he is cocky. I can't remember a quote of him being cocky. Sure he puts on the angry face after a big play, but that is just being in the moment. Many players have characteristics like that after big plays.

1. Many people already have an NBA team. For some like myself the NBA team is maybe their favorite in all of sports. They're not going to "LIKE" a team now just because it won a championship, that would make them pathetic bandwagoners.

2. Wade made perhaps the most arrogant and cocky statement in sports history before the three free agents ever played a game together. LeBron suggesting they would win even with Pat Riley starting and they'd 8-peat isn't exactly not-arrogant either.

Here's who needs to get over it...people who think winning one championship should make other people abandon their favorite team for a bunch of d-bags because they were only slight d-bags this year instead of world class d-bags like last year. That's called being a front runner or bandwagon fan. Many will do this, it's stupid to think everyone will or should.
 
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I hate "discussions" like this. People who already hate him will only see things that reinforce their opinion, so there will never be any changing them. Neutral parties will note that there is very little different about Lebron than any other NBA player besides higher skill level. Lebron lovers will see everything amazing he does and proclaim him a god. Winning this championship just further entrenches people in their previously-held positions.
 
That's sort of revisionist history. All of the superstars were not on separate teams.

What championship team did Micheal Jordan play on that didn't have at least one other Hall of Fame player on it?

Larry Bird?

How about Magic?

Isaiah Thomas?

that's 14 of the championship teams during the 20 year period you named. That was the golden age of basketball, and plenty of stars played on the same team.

I get that, but teams were not put together like they are today. You didn't have a bunch of stars jumping to the same team via free agency like they do today. You didn't have the "superstars" working free agency so they could all end up being on the same teams. Those players WANTED to be on separate teams so they could compete against each other.

Pippen and Jordan both started (and for the most part ended) their careers at Chicago...Magic, Bird, Ewing, Thomas all stuck with the teams that drafted them, and they all made the people around them much better. The difference today is superstars jump ship at their first chance just to get a ring.
 
I don't hate lebron, I hate people who claim to be "lebron" fans who used to have cavs jerseys now have 3 heat jerseys
 
I don't hate lebron, I hate people who claim to be "lebron" fans who used to have cavs jerseys now have 3 heat jerseys

These are the people will also compare him to Jordan despite a record 13 ppg scoring drop in an NBA Finals.
 
How do you feel about this guy now? Still hate him? Like him any better?

I felt pretty neutral about Labron until watching him play in the finals. Now I like him...he seems like a team guy and is a very humble winner. I'm not sure I'm a fan yet, but I he's a great player and I think deserves his day in the sun.
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I get that, but teams were not put together like they are today. You didn't have a bunch of stars jumping to the same team via free agency like they do today. You didn't have the "superstars" working free agency so they could all end up being on the same teams. Those players WANTED to be on separate teams so they could compete against each other.

Pippen and Jordan both started (and for the most part ended) their careers at Chicago...Magic, Bird, Ewing, Thomas all stuck with the teams that drafted them, and they all made the people around them much better. The difference today is superstars jump ship at their first chance just to get a ring.


Ok, I can respect that opinion. Free Agency is a mixed bag, and in the NBA, where contracts are guaranteed, you can make a good argument that it's unnecessary, as opposed to the NFL, where it's much more warranted.
 
Ok, I can respect that opinion. Free Agency is a mixed bag, and in the NBA, where contracts are guaranteed, you can make a good argument that it's unnecessary, as opposed to the NFL, where it's much more warranted.

Agree...

I also don't blame LeBron for leaving Cleveland at all. Cleveland did nothing to help him achieve his goals, and IMO, they deserved to lose him. However, at the time I was really hoping he would go to New York (or selfishly Chicago :wideeyed: ). The balance of power in the East would have been unbelievable and would of made for some awesome games/playoffs.