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[Mizzoulander]

I really think there are only 2 (maybe even just one) conferences you can blame for how big of a mess this became: Pac-12 and SEC.
-I think the Big Ten legitimately just wanted to eliminate it's quirky 11-team make up once and for all and didn't really intend for things to blow up like they did.
-The Big 12 has only reached out to new teams when necessary and has never been an aggressor.
-The ACC sort of looks like a bad guy, but I think adding Syracuse and Pitt was done out of fear that it was only a matter of time until the SEC came after 2 of their teams to make it 16. I don't think they are really all that different from the Big 12.

I still don't get why the SEC bothered to entertain A&M's interest at all. They are already the most "national" of all the conferences because of all their success this decade. I think if they wanted to launch a "SEC Network" they could do it easily, but they don't even appear to be considering that.

The real obvious villian thought is Larry Scott who really seemed to cause a lot of the instability during both of the re-alignment crisises.

There are no good guys or villians in this whole thing. Just schools and conferences looking out for their own best interests.

Larry Scott did the job he was hired for. So did Mike Slive. And Chuck Neinas, for that matter. All three men found schools that were unhappy in their current conference alignment, and offered them an alternative.

You can't blame the SEC for taking Big 12 members any more than you can blame the Pac 12 or the Big 10. It's not like these conferences wrecked a happy marriage; the problems existed long before conference realignment.

You want to blame somebody for this? Blame the fans. It's their attendance, their attention, that drives the money making all of this happen. If college football was as popular as college wrestling, this wouldn't be happening.

 

[bluestarcyclone]

Why are you still here?

 

[Al_4_State]

Why are you still here?

The mods have banned other posters for less. I don't get it.

I think Mizzoulander has some serious black mail on CW. Only logical explanation.

 

[Enginerd]

Honestly Misery was kind of the catalyst. It wasn't until they started prematurely packing their bags to the big Twen that all hell broke loose.

If all the Big 12 schools would have sacked up and stood up to Texas and demand their media rights then I doubt we would be in this situation. Now we have little choice but to just hang on.

 

[everyyard]

The catalyst was the Big Ten Network. Once everyone saw that cash all loyalties were swept under the rug. Look there for the first shot in the realignment war.

 

[jbhtexas]

The mods have banned other posters for less. I don't get it.

He generates alot of traffic on the board (usually multiple responses to each one of his posts). Unfortunately, with the myriad of ads now on this site, that translates to money for the site owners.

 

[cyclonestate]

Wow. It's bad enough to have to fly your basketball or football team from one coast to the other to compete, but I can't imagine having to do the same for your volleyball, softball, gymnastics, etc.

 

[CyBroncos]

Wow. It's bad enough to have to fly your basketball or football team from one coast to the other to compete, but I can't imagine having to do the same for your volleyball, softball, gymnastics, etc.

Boise and SDSU are joining football only. They'll just hook up with one of the smaller conferences out west for other sports.

 

[HFCS]

I really think there are only 2 (maybe even just one) conferences you can blame for how big of a mess this became: Pac-12 and SEC.
-I think the Big Ten legitimately just wanted to eliminate it's quirky 11-team make up once and for all and didn't really intend for things to blow up like they did.
-The Big 12 has only reached out to new teams when necessary and has never been an aggressor.
-The ACC sort of looks like a bad guy, but I think adding Syracuse and Pitt was done out of fear that it was only a matter of time until the SEC came after 2 of their teams to make it 16. I don't think they are really all that different from the Big 12.

I still don't get why the SEC bothered to entertain A&M's interest at all. They are already the most "national" of all the conferences because of all their success this decade. I think if they wanted to launch a "SEC Network" they could do it easily, but they don't even appear to be considering that.

The real obvious villian thought is Larry Scott who really seemed to cause a lot of the instability during both of the re-alignment crisises.

You are 100% right about Scott, but there are some on this board who are in major denial about it.

The guy was OPEN about pushing for a 4x16 super-conference structure that would have left nearly half of current FBS schools on the outside looking in.

Scott was the top instigator pushing for jumbo NFL 2.0

The SEC along with the hubris of Big 12 schools like Nebraska, A&M, Texas and OU were the next ones to blame. Any team like Nebraska and A&M who supported no revenue sharing in the Big 12...then wanted to bolt to a revenue sharing league...is more responsible than Texas. Nebraska and A&M enabled and endorsed the LHN, because their egos are so gigantic they thought they'd be the ones benefitting from those advantages, idiots.

The ACC was very predatory but their big theft came years ago with VTech and Miami. It's all about football and that's when they added football. This last round they added average football as a backup plan if the SEC stole two from them.

I still think the MWC and CUSA are REALLY short sighted for not just going forward with their title game and waiting to take the Big East's auto bid or get their own. The schools leaving this year are going to regret it in the long run. They could have had their bid and still got regional rivalries if they were patient.

 

[Wesley]

There are no good guys or villians in this whole thing. Just schools and conferences looking out for their own best interests.

Larry Scott did the job he was hired for. So did Mike Slive. And Chuck Neinas, for that matter. All three men found schools that were unhappy in their current conference alignment, and offered them an alternative.

You can't blame the SEC for taking Big 12 members any more than you can blame the Pac 12 or the Big 10. It's not like these conferences wrecked a happy marriage; the problems existed long before conference realignment.

You want to blame somebody for this? Blame the fans. It's their attendance, their attention, that drives the money making all of this happen. If college football was as popular as college wrestling, this wouldn't be happening.

I can understand that aTm were babies and felt that it will get all the pub in the state. Guess what? That will continue as aTm will be a side attraction. UT will continue to be the big dog. They have a big donor that runs the school in addition to the bowtie.

I do not understand what Missouri has to gain to play east division of SEC. That is like finding a GF in another state. It is sweet when together but temptation sets in. Columbia becomes SEC answer to Ames in the B12. My best take is inflated egos led to the move.

Last year, we had Colorado that thought they could explore beyond the Rockies. They won one conference game. No better than the B12 exploits. Their bball team remains better than their fball team.

Last year, Nebby for academics and then was booted shortly from AAU. Their fball team had nine wins but three conference losses. One game they were blown out by Michigan, just like an OU use to do. No difference. They are headed for a Florida bowl. They are basically disappointed in their first year as they thought they would run the stack. Oh well.

 

[ccyclonepower25]

ND getting their own sweetheart deals for years also has their part in all this.

 

[Mizzoulander]

I can understand that aTm were babies and felt that it will get all the pub in the state. Guess what? That will continue as aTm will be a side attraction. UT will continue to be the big dog. They have a big donor that runs the school in addition to the bowtie.

I do not understand what Missouri has to gain to play east division of SEC. That is like finding a GF in another state. It is sweet when together but temptation sets in. Columbia becomes SEC answer to Ames in the B12. My best take is inflated egos led to the move.

Last year, we had Colorado that thought they could explore beyond the Rockies. They won one conference game. No better than the B12 exploits. Their bball team remains better than their fball team.

Last year, Nebby for academics and then was booted shortly from AAU. Their fball team had nine wins but three conference losses. One game they were blown out by Michigan, just like an OU use to do. No difference. They are headed for a Florida bowl. They are basically disappointed in their first year as they thought they would run the stack. Oh well.

So you think all of them are disappointed. Okay.

How many of them want to rejoin the Big 12?

Think about it...Colorado had about the worst season imaginable in their new conference. They don't want to go back.

Nebraska lost to Northwestern. They don't want to go back either.

What is so hard to understand? More money, better bowls, greater exposure, and a schedule no more difficult than what we have now. The cost? A reasonable exit fee, a change in recruiting strategy, and a loss of old rivalries. Not to mention the fact that we're pretty sure the SEC will be here 5 years from now.

Sold.

 

[Yes13]

So you think all of them are disappointed. Okay.

How many of them want to rejoin the Big 12?

Think about it...Colorado had about the worst season imaginable in their new conference. They don't want to go back.

Nebraska lost to Northwestern. They don't want to go back either.

What is so hard to understand? More money, better bowls, greater exposure, and a schedule no more difficult than what we have now. The cost? A reasonable exit fee, a change in recruiting strategy, and a loss of old rivalries. Not to mention the fact that we're pretty sure the SEC will be here 5 years from now.

Sold.

Smart A&M fans want to go back, Smart Mizzou fans never wanted to go.

I love how all the defector supporters sooo want the Big 12 to die.

 

[Mizzoulander]

Smart A&M fans want to go back, Smart Mizzou fans never wanted to go.

I love how all the defector supporters sooo want the Big 12 to die.[/QUOTE]

I don't.

If the Big 12 dies, then Iowa State gets moved to the Mountain West, or some combination conference of the remaining Big 12/Big East teams. I don't think that's right.

How does Mizzou benefit from the failure of the Big 12? They don't. Missouri doesn't stand to gain additional fans...KSU and KU supporters in KC aren't going to shift their loyalty. We'd still recruit against the same Midwestern teams, just as we do now.

I happen to like Midwestern football, and it's a shame that the Big 12 couldn't have been put together the right way from the start.

Maybe some fans want "vindication" that the defectors made the right move in leaving. That really doesn't matter to me. If all of my intelligent insights :smile: on conference realignment haven't convinced most of you yet, then the demise of the Big 12 won't either.

I do NOT think the Big 12 will survive long in its current form, but that's not something I hope to be right about.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

Smart A&M fans want to go back, Smart Mizzou fans never wanted to go.

I love how all the defector supporters sooo want the Big 12 to die.[/QUOTE]

I don't.

If the Big 12 dies, then Iowa State gets moved to the Mountain West, or some combination conference of the remaining Big 12/Big East teams. I don't think that's right.

How does Mizzou benefit from the failure of the Big 12? They don't. Missouri doesn't stand to gain additional fans...KSU and KU supporters in KC aren't going to shift their loyalty. We'd still recruit against the same Midwestern teams, just as we do now.

I happen to like Midwestern football, and it's a shame that the Big 12 couldn't have been put together the right way from the start.

Maybe some fans want "vindication" that the defectors made the right move in leaving. That really doesn't matter to me. If all of my intelligent insights :smile: on conference realignment haven't convinced most of you yet, then the demise of the Big 12 won't either.

I do NOT think the Big 12 will survive long in its current form, but that's not something I hope to be right about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(making_excuses)

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