When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

When will you buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

  • Already Own One

    Votes: 72 8.2%
  • In the next year

    Votes: 7 0.8%
  • Between 1-5 years

    Votes: 163 18.5%
  • 6-10 years

    Votes: 189 21.4%
  • 10+ years or never

    Votes: 452 51.2%

  • Total voters
    883
It comes down to battery technology which has advanced faster than anticipated in the last 10 years but still has a ways to go. There are a number of companies with announced plans for batteries that would allow +600 miles per charge at a fraction of the current cost. By 2030 I would expect these batteries will be available.

Given EVs have 1/3 the parts of ICEs promising far lower costs, far more torque, life spans that should easily be over 10 years and much less need for periodic maintenance, once batteries hit the sweet spot it will be game, set match.

If you look at it, ICEs are a cludge. Explosions that produce an up and down motion of pistons that gets translated with a drive train to a turning motion, producing more heat than torque requiring liquid pouring through the engine block to keep it from melting along with a water pump and radiator, an electric motor to get it started, a controlled gas/air mixture, a transmission with low gears to start the vehicle moving forward and higher gears to get higher speed because the torque produced is so small and everywhere points of friction between metal parts that must be overcome.... I could go on and on and on...

While EVs have 1 or 2 electric motors that have almost no friction because they use magnetism to power the turning motion (0 contact with other metal parts) and incredible torque.

The problem has always been the batteries, many new technologies are being explored, we are in the first part of the bathtub curve on EVs, in the end ICEs are doomed that is why all major car companies are investing heavily in EVs. They know what the engineering and economics are leading to. In 2040, ICEs will be horse and buggies compared to EVs.

At least, that is my view...
Agree completely. The expectation for a rapid transition from ICE to EV's was unrealistic. In the end, better tech will win out. And batteries composition could be very different in 5 years, 10 years and 20 years.

The only wildcard is the raw materials to make batteries. But there is a lot of research being done to use more common materials and less reliance on raw earth materials that are sourced in limited countries. Or the US is going to need to be willing to mine domestically for raw-earth materials.
 
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I'm probably looking at the next 3-5 years before I make the switch. Right now I'm just waiting for the charging infrastructure to get a bit better in my area and for prices to come down a little more. The range on newer models is getting pretty solid though, so that's not really holding me back anymore. I'm keeping an eye on what's coming out in the next couple years since the tech seems to be improving fast. Once my current car needs replacing, I'll definitely give EVs a serious look. And hope that EV's range will be 1000 km +.
 
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We just purchased a 2023 CR-V Hybrid with 12k miles. It's my wife's car and I have not driven it yet, but it rides really nice and quiet. Hoping for it to last 10+ years.
 
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I'm probably looking at the next 3-5 years before I make the switch. Right now I'm just waiting for the charging infrastructure to get a bit better in my area and for prices to come down a little more. The range on newer models is getting pretty solid though, so that's not really holding me back anymore. I'm keeping an eye on what's coming out in the next couple years since the tech seems to be improving fast. Once my current car needs replacing, I'll definitely give EVs a serious look. And hope that EV's range will be 1000 km +.
How many times a year do you drive 600+ miles a year without stopping? Would it be worth it to pay $10k more and have double the amount of batteries/weight for those __ days a year?
 
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I'm probably looking at the next 3-5 years before I make the switch. Right now I'm just waiting for the charging infrastructure to get a bit better in my area and for prices to come down a little more. The range on newer models is getting pretty solid though, so that's not really holding me back anymore. I'm keeping an eye on what's coming out in the next couple years since the tech seems to be improving fast. Once my current car needs replacing, I'll definitely give EVs a serious look. And hope that EV's range will be 1000 km +.
With home charging, the infrastructure is less important around you, and more important when you do long distance travel.
 
I am here for true 600 mile range EVs!

(I am one of the few that really need true 600mi range, for work purposes. Long story short anything less would make certain day trips turn into overnight trips)
 
I am here for true 600 mile range EVs!

(I am one of the few that really need true 600mi range, for work purposes. Long story short anything less would make certain day trips turn into overnight trips)
I'd love to hear this example. Where are you going?
 
I'd love to hear this example. Where are you going?
Same. 600 miles in BFE maybe, but I can't even imagine that on a map.

Something like this? I have to drive from Des Moines to Granite Falls, MN and back today, but I'm not allowed to drive on highways. BTW, this trip would take 11 hours.
 
Tesla working to integrate Apple Carplay has me intrigued again.
That's something else I never understood. I really like using AA and or carplay in other vehicles with crap UI's (nearly all of them). As soon as I get in the Kia, AA automatically starts. With that said, I can't think of one time while using the Tesla UI, that I wished it had AA/Carplay integration. I don't even know what that would add. Is this the group text issue with tesla?
 
Same. 600 miles in BFE maybe, but I can't even imagine that on a map.

Something like this? I have to drive from Des Moines to Granite Falls, MN and back today, but I'm not allowed to drive on highways. BTW, this trip would take 11 hours.

Maybe someone who has to drive around in circles on remote rural roads 100 miles from closest fueling station doing some kind of field work? Trying to be kind.

I’ve driven all over western United States in one of the lower range current EVs on the market (240 mile range awd) and the only area that’s been a significant problem for me is actually rural coastal northern CA that is more sparsely populated than most realize despite having some affluent vacation areas, it was still possible but not easy. I’ve gone way off grid and off road in places like very remote Utah.

There are definitely times when more range would help but I’d have never needed anywhere close to 600 miles of range even on my craziest backpacking/backcountry adventures. It’s usually a thing where I’m going to drive up some 8-10k ft mountain area so I have to make sure to really charge up near the base because that straight uphill drive kills my range, but I also know when I drive down it I’ll gain charge and I don’t need anything for the trip down. Up at the top I can’t just drive around infinitely with no charging up there unless there happens to be a tiny high altitude mountain town with a charger which is rare.
 
That's something else I never understood. I really like using AA and or carplay in other vehicles with crap UI's (nearly all of them). As soon as I get in the Kia, AA automatically starts. With that said, I can't think of one time while using the Tesla UI, that I wished it had AA/Carplay integration. I don't even know what that would add. Is this the group text issue with tesla?
I like it. I would have dealt with the other UI's but I really like carplay for familiarity with apps.
 
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I'd love to hear this example. Where are you going?
Starting in Ankeny IA, here are some examples. All mileage estimated from google maps from my house to destinations below:

Aurora IL (580mi round trip)
Chicago IL (ok, over 600mi round trip)
Madison NE* (470mi round trip)
Sioux Falls SD (590mi round trip)

There are many more, but here is the longer part of the story. I often do these round trips in a single day; ie drive up early in AM, spend 1-2 hours in a meeting, then drive back.

Adding any significant time to this at charging stations (say even an extra hour), or making the outbound leg longer by even less time, pushes these into overnight trips, even if charging stations are available. *good luck finding them in convenient/practical locations enroute to Madison NE
 
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Starting in Ankeny IA, here are some examples. All mileage estimated from google maps from my house to destinations below:

Aurora IL (580mi round trip)
Chicago IL (ok, over 600mi round trip)
Madison NE* (470mi round trip)
Sioux Falls SD (590mi round trip)

There are many more, but here is the longer part of the story. I often do these round trips in a single day; ie drive up early in AM, spend 1-2 hours in a meeting, then drive back.

Adding any significant time to this at charging stations (say even an extra hour), or making the outbound leg longer by even less time, pushes these into overnight trips, even if charging stations are available. *good luck finding them in convenient/practical locations enroute to Madison NE
You can do all of those trips without needing 600 miles range FYI. If you fast charge correctly, you'll only need 15 mins or so per charge, but I get what you mean with pushing it an hour.
 
Starting in Ankeny IA, here are some examples. All mileage estimated from google maps from my house to destinations below:

Aurora IL (580mi round trip)
Chicago IL (ok, over 600mi round trip)
Madison NE* (470mi round trip)
Sioux Falls SD (590mi round trip)

There are many more, but here is the longer part of the story. I often do these round trips in a single day; ie drive up early in AM, spend 1-2 hours in a meeting, then drive back.

Adding any significant time to this at charging stations (say even an extra hour), or making the outbound leg longer by even less time, pushes these into overnight trips, even if charging stations are available. *good luck finding them in convenient/practical locations enroute to Madison NE

All your non road trip driving imagine if you could get a full tank in 3 seconds at home vs driving to a gas station and filling up. Yeah on these road trips you’d be adding maybe 30-45 minutes to your trip unless you can charge at destination which may or may not be possible.. Unless you never drive locally you’d spend less time fueling.

I cannot imagine going back to having to get gas. Gigantic hassle. No different than taking streaming video from me and making me return vhs and dvd to blockbuster.

If you do these trips daily I agree EV is not for you. If you do them once or twice a month charging at home would balance out the road trip hassle.
 
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You can do all of those trips without needing 600 miles range FYI. If you fast charge correctly, you'll only need 15 mins or so per charge, but I get what you mean with pushing it an hour.
Yes I get that... but those 15min charges have to be a lot more strategically planned, and there is no avoidance of the time it takes.

I do this with a fleet vehicle (company provided) and they're not going to switch over for the same reasons I've stated. Maybe when the day comes with a true 600mi range in all weather conditions.
 
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