ISU unranked in AP poll

I think people are overreacting to how the playoff played out last year. We only have one year of the expanded playoff under our belt. No reason to just extrapolate that because we only got 1 in last year we are stuck with that forever.

I think you could argue that last year was pretty much a worst case scenario for the B12. You had a 4 way tie for first with teams at 7-2 in conference. Colorado was one of those teams and they had dropped a non con game as well so they were a 3 loss team. ASU who won it all was picked dead last so had tons of poll inertia to overcome. And many of those losses were thanks to KU getting hot late in the year, which hung bad losses on 3 contenders late in the season.

Honestly, couldn't have drawn it up any worse. To this point, no single loss P4 team has missed the playoff, and I think that rule will generally apply to the B12 as well. Only a couple 2 loss P4s missed last year. That could be a steeper hill for a B12 team. But I feel like in general any B12 team that finishes undefeated or with a single loss, those teams are in.
You aren't wrong it was the so called worst case. It just seems to me like the "worst case scenario" is actually pretty likely to occur each year given the "parity" / anyone can win any night .....type nature of the league.

I think that nature makes the regular season fun to watch but I think it will be very hard for the leagues top teams to avoid 1 or 2 conf losses each year.

Its hard in other conferences too, but when you have the talent gaps between the top teams compared to the middle and bottom, it gets easier. Not to mention the media bias which props them up.

As much as I don't like it, my expectation for the CFP is the big 12 gets 1 team each year.
 
You aren't wrong it was the so called worst case. It just seems to me like the "worst case scenario" is actually pretty likely to occur each year given the "parity" / anyone can win any night .....type nature of the league.

I think that nature makes the regular season fun to watch but I think it will be very hard for the leagues top teams to avoid 1 or 2 conf losses each year.

Its hard in other conferences too, but when you have the talent gaps between the top teams compared to the middle and bottom, it gets easier. Not to mention the media bias which props them up.

As much as I don't like it, my expectation for the CFP is the big 12 gets 1 team each year.
This is why supporting the 5+11 model makes zero sense to me if you're a Big 12 fan. You're just opening the door for the CFP to screw you over every year.
 
The AP and Coach's poll should both be released on Mondays, not Sundays. Asking reporters to absorb and process all of the games on a Saturday, and submit a ranking by like 9AM EDT on Sunday is stupid. It forces bad ballots and voting with incomplete information.

There is a reason that the CFP Committee releases their ranking on a Tuesday.
Better yet, do it on Thursdays. Give everyone time to watch more games and make a better informed decision.
 
You're counting that as a ranked win?
Didn’t you guys beat a ranked penn st team a few years ago that finished 6-6? The consensus is that’s iowas last ranked win
 
Didn’t you guys beat a ranked penn st team a few years ago that finished 6-6? The consensus is that’s iowas last ranked win
We beat three ranked teams that year, including two in the top-10. I just remember hearing that it doesn't count as a ranked win if/when they fall out of the rankings.
 
Didn’t you guys beat a ranked penn st team a few years ago that finished 6-6? The consensus is that’s iowas last ranked win
For accuracy purposes, Penn State went 7-6 that year but your point remains. I was having this discussion with a friend group and came to the conclusion that ranked wins are ranked wins. If you beat a team with a little number by their name, it counts.

It’s misleading and you can debate legitimacy after the year is concluded, but there’s too much fluctuation with the rankings on a week to week basis.

Indiana just beat a top 10 Illinois team. Now, I would agree with people and say Illinois certainly didn’t look or play up to the standard of a top 10 team, let alone a top 25 team, but if Illinois would’ve won, we’d be talking about how Indiana lost to a top 10 team.

When the dust settles at the end of the year, you can then start diving into whether you had wins against good teams or if they were just paper tigers.
 
We beat three ranked teams that year, including two in the top-10. I just remember hearing that it doesn't count as a ranked win if/when they fall out of the rankings.
Yes, Iowa beat three teams that were ranked. Indiana finished 2-10 and Iowa State and Penn State finished 7-6.

You’re being purposefully obtuse to cope with the fact that Iowa hasn’t beaten a legitimate team since 2019.
 
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Yes, Iowa beat three teams that were ranked. Indiana finished 2-10 and Iowa State and Penn State finished 7-6.

You’re being purposefully obtuse to cope with the fact that Iowa hasn’t beaten a legitimate team since 2019.
Lol, no I'm really not. I agree with you that we haven't beaten a legit ranked team since 2019 or whenever. All I'm saying is that, by the same token, it seems weird to count KSU as a ranked win when they're 1-3, unranked, dead last in the Big 12, and clearly nowhere close to being a top-25 team.
 
Lol, no I'm really not. I agree with you that we haven't beaten a legit ranked team since 2019 or whenever. All I'm saying is that, by the same token, it seems weird to count KSU as a ranked win when they're 1-3, dead last in the Big 12, and clearly not a top-25 team. I was having this discussion with a friend group and came to the conclusion that ranked wins are ranked wins. If you beat a team with a little number by their name, it counts.It’s misleading and you can debate legitimacy after the year is concluded, but there’s too much fluctuation with the rankings on a week to week basis.”

For accuracy purposes, Penn State went 7-6 that year but your point remains. I was having this discussion with a friend group and came to the conclusion that ranked wins are ranked wins. If you beat a team with a little number by their name, it counts.

It’s misleading and you can debate legitimacy after the year is concluded, but there’s too much fluctuation with the rankings on a week to week basis.

Indiana just beat a top 10 Illinois team. Now, I would agree with people and say Illinois certainly didn’t look or play up to the standard of a top 10 team, let alone a top 25 team, but if Illinois would’ve won, we’d be talking about how Indiana lost to a top 10 team.

When the dust settles at the end of the year, you can then start diving into whether you had wins against good teams or if they were just paper tigers.
I’m in full agreement that the Kansas State “ranked win” doesn’t feel legitimate. It is too early to say whether Kansas State figures it out, but I’d bet a lot of money they’re not receiving a single vote at the end of the year.
 
I really wish that was true, but how many times does the B12 have to get screwed before some realize that this tournament is set up to get the most teams out of the SEC and B10 as possible, then the ACC and finally the B12. Fox and ESPN are always going to have a huge say in who gets in and who does not. A one loss B12 team will be beaten out by every team from the SEC and B10 that has 2 losses or less. Hell we saw it last season when SMU got in and they lost to TCU earlier in the season. Unless both B12 teams are sitting there at 12-0 before the championship game the loser will get jumped unless there are not enough 2 loss teams to fill out the bracket. a 12-1 runner up from the B12 will be fighting against 3 lose teams from the B10 and SEC.

Week 13 and week 14 last year the small biased committee thought THREE G5 teams were better than the entire Big 12. Go back and look at those weeks, total insanity.

Army and Tulane were both above ASU and ISU very late in season and luckily they lost a game.
 
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