Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[FinalFourCy]

Completely disagree. The Big Ten has been around and cohesive for 130 years with schools that are all, more or less, culturally the same.

The ACC doesn't have that. Florida State has only been around for 30 years and Clemson isn't the historical power that a Michigan or Penn State or SC is.

Why didn’t you answer the question on which side folds first, the side with no risk (OSU) or the side that would be around M level without OSU and Co?

You think Clemson, FSU and UNC are looking to leave because of culture?

Do you think USC left because of culture?

It’s shocking some still can’t see the forest through the trees on this. It’s primarily about uncapped spending in a system that rewards out-spending competition, unequal power due to TV rating deltas, and to a lesser degree prestige.

As has been proven correct, that wasn’t a Big 12 thing. Or a PAC issue. And soon not just an ACC thing.

 

[FerShizzle]

Do they get paid the same without the LA and NYC markets?

I think they'll change the calculation on 'earned' money but go status quo on media revenue.

MARKETS!?!?!?!

these media deals haven't had anything to do with markets since the transition to streaming a decade ago. they are based on viewership and brand recognition. you arent forcing the big 10 network onto peoples cable packages anymore.

******* markets.... LOL

 

[CycloneT]

MARKETS!?!?!?!

these media deals haven't had anything to do with markets since the transition to streaming a decade ago. they are based on viewership and brand recognition. you arent forcing the big 10 network onto peoples cable packages anymore.

******* markets.... LOL

They still get paid like $8 per tv household in markets they are in. Markets still matter somewhat

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Why didn’t you answer the question on which side folds first, the side with no risk (OSU) or the side that would be around M level without OSU and Co?

You think Clemson, FSU and UNC are looking to leave because of culture?

Do you think USC left because of culture?

It’s shocking some still can’t see the forest through the trees on this. It’s primarily about uncapped spending in a system that rewards out-spending competition, unequal power due to TV rating deltas, and to a lesser degree prestige.

As has been proven correct, that wasn’t a Big 12 thing. Or a PAC issue. And soon not just an ACC thing.

Where does OSU go? Unless a super league happens, they are at the tippy top of the food chain. There's not another option for them to make any more money on the TV revenue side.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

MARKETS!?!?!?!

these media deals haven't had anything to do with markets since the transition to streaming a decade ago. they are based on viewership and brand recognition. you arent forcing the big 10 network onto peoples cable packages anymore.

******* markets.... LOL

Just a quick google.

There are still approximately 1.37 million homes with cable in NY (not including YouTubeTV, HULU Live, etc) and at $8.79 per month per household that's a little over $144M per year.

Yeah, markets matter.

 

[Gonzo]

Where does OSU go? Unless a super league happens, they are at the tippy top of the food chain. There's not another option for them to make any more money on the TV revenue side.

If they went the ND route with independence, they'd make less on their media revenue but would get to bank all that CFP money all by themselves.

But I agree. I think the B1G is going to revise its revenue distribution model to give a bigger cut of bowl/CFP revenue to the schools who earn them that year, so that would probably placate tOSU most seasons.

They have nowhere else to go aside from a superleague which I doubt would ever happen.

 

[cyfanatic]

MARKETS!?!?!?!

these media deals haven't had anything to do with markets since the transition to streaming a decade ago. they are based on viewership and brand recognition. you arent forcing the big 10 network onto peoples cable packages anymore.

******* markets.... LOL

It is still about markets...but true you are not forcing the B1G Network into those markets...not like they used to do it. But it is about market-size! Just measured differently than it used to be. Are you really telling me that the B1G would be of the same value if USC/UCLA were not included? The potential market of LA is what gets them paid. Not necessarily a forced channel into the cable package.

 

[Al_4_State]

Where does OSU go? Unless a super league happens, they are at the tippy top of the food chain. There's not another option for them to make any more money on the TV revenue side.

They aren't going to leave. They're going to take more money from schools like Iowa. If those schools don't like it, then they'll threaten to join up with the top of the SEC in a super duper league.

The most likely outcome is that those less financially valuable Big 10 and SEC schools allow this for security.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

They aren't going to leave. They're going to take more money from schools like Iowa. If those schools don't like it, then they'll threaten to join up with the top of the SEC in a super duper league.

The most likely outcome is that those less financially valuable Big 10 and SEC schools allow this for security.

It’s not a threat when it has zero chance of happening

 

[1UNI2ISU]

They aren't going to leave. They're going to take more money from schools like Iowa. If those schools don't like it, then they'll threaten to join up with the top of the SEC in a super duper league.

The most likely outcome is that those less financially valuable Big 10 and SEC schools allow this for security.

They can kick their feet and scream Super League all they want but when it's not a currently viable option it's just shouting into the void.

 

[Cloneon]

Just a quick google.

There are still approximately 1.37 million homes with cable in NY (not including YouTubeTV, HULU Live, etc) and at $8.79 per month per household that's a little over $144M per year.

Yeah, markets matter.

I'm a little naive on this subject. What is that $8.79 for? If it is the B1G network, that must be a contract ... with an expiration, right? Is that charged for only 'cable'? Last I checked satellite, OTA, and cable are trending shorter compared to the internet. All of these combined say that $8.79 (if B1G) has an expiration. Which will probably be negotiated over using other internet sources. Cable (as an internet provider) will likely try to keep its entertainment separate from its internet in contract negotiation if for no other reason that write-offs. But because there's a lot of competition in the internet arena, B1G viewership is likely to diversify. So, I guess what I'm trying to say, things will definitely change and the model the B1G used via Rutgers and Maryland will obfuscate the need for those programs eventually. Actually, san Utah, I see the B12 as now being the long bet on stability. But one never knows

 

[Al_4_State]

They can kick their feet and scream Super League all they want but when it's not a currently viable option it's just shouting into the void.

If ESPN had a realistic chance to put Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State in the SEC they'd nut in their pants so fast it would make your head spin.

It's utterly naive to think that the big brands in the Big 10 can't and won't strongarm the rest of the conference. They can absolutely do that if they want to.

 

[CycloneT]

I'm a little naive on this subject. What is that $8.79 for? If it is the B1G network, that must be a contract ... with an expiration, right? Is that charged for only 'cable'? Last I checked satellite, OTA, and cable are trending shorter compared to the internet. All of these combined say that $8.79 (if B1G) has an expiration. Which will probably be negotiated over using other internet sources. Cable (as an internet provider) will likely try to keep its entertainment separate from its internet in contract negotiation if for no other reason that write-offs. But because there's a lot of competition in the internet arena, B1G viewership is likely to diversify. So, I guess what I'm trying to say, things will definitely change and the model the B1G used via Rutgers and Maryland will obfuscate the need for those programs eventually. Actually, san Utah, I see the B12 as now being the long bet on stability. But one never knows

Every channel has a value tied to it that providers like DirecTV Dish YoutubeTV etc pay to have that channel on their cable package. Sports rights are the most valuable. It’s why FOX and ESPN are always in disputes with providers before seasons starts. To raise that fee

 

[FriendlySpartan]

If ESPN had a realistic chance to put Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State in the SEC they'd nut in their pants so fast it would make your head spin.

It's utterly naive to think that the big brands in the Big 10 can't and won't strongarm the rest of the conference. They can absolutely do that if they want to.

Except those schools (mainly Michigan) would never be caught dead joining the SEC, that’s why it’s a non threat. Again you can keep going “the end is neigh” you have the advantage of never having to prove you right, you can just keep kicking the can down the road. When the next media deal happens with no change you can just keep saying “oh it’s happening”

It’s why the argument has no end

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Every channel has a value tied to it that providers like DirecTV Dish YoutubeTV etc pay to have that channel on their cable package. Sports rights are the most valuable. It’s why FOX and ESPN are always in disputes with providers before seasons starts. To raise that fee

There is also Big10+ but that has far less subscribers

 

[Al_4_State]

Except those schools (mainly Michigan) would never be caught dead joining the SEC, that’s why it’s a non threat. Again you can keep going “the end is neigh” you have the advantage of never having to prove you right, you can just keep kicking the can down the road. When the next media deal happens with no change you can just keep saying “oh it’s happening”

It’s why the argument has no end

People said the exact same thing about Texas for the exact same reasons.

I don't think those schools are going to leave and form a super league, but they can and will set up unequal revenue sharing.

It's not "the end is nigh" it's that these schools that have been artificially propped up for years will have to start operating differently. They will still be valuable entities that have more resources than the non power leagues, you just won't see Purdue getting twice what BYU does from it's TV contract just because Ohio State is nice to them.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

People said the exact same thing about Texas for the exact same reasons.

I don't think those schools are going to leave and form a super league, but they can and will set up unequal revenue sharing.

Who said that about Texas? They were a massive outlier in the Big12. Also it’s Texas.

Again this is just the “I got cheated on so I expect everyone to cheat”

Won’t be able to change your mind but I’m shocked to hear you say that about texas

 

[CycloneT]

There is a way higher chance of independence then the SEC or a different conference and that’s not anywhere close to likely at all

 

[cykadelic2]

Yeah I’m torn by this. On one hand the time slot obviously sucks for sparty from a fan viewership perspective as well as an internal time clock for the players.

On the other hand it would suck if the only night game USC was allowed to play would be against the other west coast teams which this year would mean a horrible game against UCLA. Not ideal either way

Start those games at 6PT instead of 8PT.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Start those games at 6PT instead of 8PT.

Yeah that’s probably the smart way to do it, doesn’t fix the crux of the issue but would make it slightly more palatable for some.