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Will Prohm ever win a championship?

State43 said:
Why bother with a response like this? Would I post it if I wasn't serious? If your argument is against my first sentence, give my your reasoning as to why it's not. If your argument is mental maturity and leadership, I can agree but when talking about what ifs, there are several possibilities so it's not out of the question. But tell me how having say a Larson at post wouldn't make ISU a top 5 team.
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The most inefficient way to score in basketball is throwing it to a post player. Offensively, we don't need any help. What we need is better perimeter defense and rebounding and there's no reason this team isn't at least a good rebounding team. We aren't small.
 
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Gerbs said:
So this game is shooting, last game was rebounding, the game before was defense. This team always has an excuse. Facts are we got swept by baylor and tcu and are out of the conf running in a season where KU is not good. The only thing Steve Prohm's teams have consistently done is underachieve.
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They were picked to finish 6th by reasonable people. ISU starts 2 freshman. Get a grip.
 
Tre4ISU said:
The most inefficient way to score in basketball is throwing it to a post player. Offensively, we don't need any help. What we need is better perimeter defense and rebounding and there's no reason this team isn't at least a good rebounding team. We aren't small.
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Depends on the post player and depends on the play run to get the post player the ball.
 
I think he will when a Big 12 championship. We were very close this year and he has proven that he can get the talent needed. We have a really good young core group, no reason to think we won’t be in the running the next couple of years.
 
Halincandenza said:
Depends on the post player and depends on the play run to get the post player the ball.
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Yeah, that's why I said throwing it into the post player. There's a high likelihood that even if you have Ethan Happ on this team, the offense becomes less efficient by giving him the ball on the block.

Sure, if you're throwing lobs and dumping it to a cutting big guy it's efficient but that wasn't the scenario proposed. We have the 9th most efficient offense in the country. It's not the problem.
 
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I think it depends on who stays after this year. Next year could be awesome, or not so great. Starting 5 of Lard, Wiggy, Talen, Tyrese, and Nixon. With Jacobson, T-Lew, and Conditt off the bench? That would be pretty solid (especially if Zion turns a corner with a year in the program, know his injuries slowed some progress last summer.)

That team is a whole lot different if Wiggy and Talen leave.
 
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moores2 said:
I think it depends on who stays after this year. Next year could be awesome, or not so great. Starting 5 of Lard, Wiggy, Talen, Tyrese, and Nixon. With Jacobson, T-Lew, and Conditt off the bench? That would be pretty solid (especially if Zion turns a corner with a year in the program, know his injuries slowed some progress last summer.)

That team is a whole lot different if Wiggy and Talen leave.
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You're forgetting an important piece inside in Young.
 
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FinalFourCy said:
And the situation. When you’re having a 2-20 type day on 3Ps, having a different means to create and score is significant, even if a cursory glance at some advanced metrics diminish the use in isolation.
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Agreed. Take Niang for example, what he was able to open up for us on the outside while also getting us points in a pinch can't be measured.
 
moores2 said:
I think it depends on who stays after this year. Next year could be awesome, or not so great. Starting 5 of Lard, Wiggy, Talen, Tyrese, and Nixon. With Jacobson, T-Lew, and Conditt off the bench? That would be pretty solid (especially if Zion turns a corner with a year in the program, know his injuries slowed some progress last summer.)

That team is a whole lot different if Wiggy and Talen leave.
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What has been the word on this guy? I have not heard anything.
 
Kurttr said:
Didn't mean to imply that only Fred took transfers. Was commenting on the difficulty at managing some of the personalities with them - that's the nature of the beast. I'd guess that was a major problem with the team that lost to UAB - no inside info; just what you could see on the court/bench. Agree that Prohm takes them too; Fred just took more.
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I kind of always got the impression Fred kind of let players do what they needed to as long as they showed results on the court. Prohm seems to be a little more by the book.
 
Kurttr said:
Didn't mean to imply that only Fred took transfers. Was commenting on the difficulty at managing some of the personalities with them - that's the nature of the beast. I'd guess that was a major problem with the team that lost to UAB - no inside info; just what you could see on the court/bench. Agree that Prohm takes them too; Fred just took more.
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Fred was probably a bigger problem at that point than player personalities being outside the norm.

Does having a team with transfers increase the challenge of managing personalities?
 
Kurttr said:
Didn't mean to imply that only Fred took transfers. Was commenting on the difficulty at managing some of the personalities with them - that's the nature of the beast. I'd guess that was a major problem with the team that lost to UAB - no inside info; just what you could see on the court/bench. Agree that Prohm takes them too; Fred just took more.
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Fred HAD to take more when he arrived because there was NOBODY HERE. Freddy left Prohm with an impressive roster so he didn't have to start off raiding the transfers. Go listen to CF's podcast of TransferU. It explains it in simple enough terms that you might be able to understand it, and it's a really good podcast.
 
TXCyclones said:
Fred HAD to take more when he arrived because there was NOBODY HERE. Freddy left Prohm with an impressive roster so he didn't have to start off raiding the transfers. Go listen to CF's podcast of TransferU. It explains it in simple enough terms that you might be able to understand it, and it's a really good podcast.
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Transfer U portrayed it as a happy accident, not an explicit plan.

Fred left Prohm with a nice roster of upperclassmen... for one year.

The second year was not supposed to happen -- Monté and Naz were supposed to be gone, though that team ended up being a lot of fun even without Georges. Monté and Naz each getting hurt before the end of that season was not part of the plan to help the next.

The ISU job was somebody else's good roster for 1-2 years and then a stealth rebuild job considering how little there was waiting for the next coach after that.
 
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Peter said:
He had the perfect opportunity this year. Kansas is down and ISU had more talent than anybody else in the league. Instead of capitalizing, his team just completely implodes with inexcusable home losses and uninspired efforts against sub 500 teams. If he cant do it this year, I don't see how he is ever going to. I don't think he is building anything here. Just stuck on mediocrity.
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I'm surprised you weren't banned for this. I simply asked if we'd be better off if Fred took over now and I was banned for a week. Funny thing was 3 people agreed with me while just 4 disagreed. I didn't even make an opinion, I just asked the question lfmao. The truth hurts some people.
 
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