When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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Are those options available together now? When it first came out AWD was only available with the eco Boost, irc.
Yea, it became an option with the 2025 refresh.
Not surprised by this at all. It just stands to reason that a machine with fewer moving parts and less heat stress is going to last longer and be more reliable. I know it's not exactly the same, but I've had an electric lawn mower for the last 9 years and I'll never go back to gas. It is virtually maintenance free. Sharpen the blade and clean it occasionally. Last gas mower I owned had an issue and it would have been more expensive to fix than just buy a new mower.
Electric cars are already more reliable than gasoline ones, according to a German study
A report by ADAC, Germany's leading breakdown assistance provider, shows that electric cars have fewer and less significant breakdowns than combustion engine cars.en.ara.cat
They’re simply superior cars imo. Like how I’d never go back to a flip phone, despite the latter being cheaper with longer battery.
It’s an IoT and EoE era. EVs fit that so much better than ICE
It’s still odd that the framing of EV adaptation was so initially limited to environment impacts or even lower cost (eventually).
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Same issue happened to gas hybrids 30 years ago. We spent all their time demonizing investment into them due to BS political reasons, just ahead of their time, when in reality... they were and are a generally superior product for the average driver over a straight ICE vehicle.
Very true.
Given the owners of wealth from the incumbent technology were largely US based, it makes some sense that we’d fumble the evolution to a more advanced technology.
EVs are still nascent and still not great revenue generators in the conventional ways, so i can see why legacy manufacturers didn’t rush to cannibalize products they’ve sunk billions into
Sadly, none of that applied to China. For over a decade now, China has viewed the EV as their chance at one few remaining industries they had yet to take over.Due to the success they had in investing in infrastructure, they likely would have been a leader regardless I suppose
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Yeah, I remember one of the initial "selling points" was lower maintenance and repair costs but any new tech is going to have some growing pains. Seems like those have largely been overcome at least for the first owner. And I suspect that will demonstrably be the case for second owners shortly. Seems like battery replacements are kinda like kitty litter in bathrooms - everybody "knows a guy who's seen it" but nobody has seen it themselves.
I want the next generation of EV, if still using batteries, to be storage as a service/subscription, with swap outs anyway
A lot of wasted GWh sitting around for edge case usage, driving up costs to the consumer and manufacturers. Particularly given manufacturing enough storage for mass adoption of EVs will be a challenge
I’d rather Tesla or Rivan etc keep ownership of the storage device itself. Let me subscribe for a 200 mile setup, with a surcharge for the times I need to stop and swap in a 400 mile unit
That sounds terrible to me.
That’s the most common response, but it’s similar to range anxiety though, with proper infrastructure imo.
I’d also choose the full ownership cash option, if not offered a good lease or subscription. Just as I buy the car, unless offered a low enough financing rate or lease offer.
The technology and adaptation isn’t there yet, but the storage will increasingly become an asset itself.
I don’t see battery swapping being viable anytime soon. Mainly because I don’t think we can produce enough batteries to have enough in storage waiting to be swapped out.
EV or ICE, cars and trucks are just crazy expensive right now. Regardless of the type of powertrain, US cars are not affordable right not. The bans on Chinese EVs is just a band aid to prop up the US automotive industry. Eventually, the pressure for more affordable vehicles will put an end to this ban. When consumers can buy a $20K EV from China, they will flock to that instead of a US made ICE that costs $40K plus.
There was an interview with the CEO of Ford and he admitted that they can't compete with China on quality and cost.
The US isn't going to collapse economically, but the automotive industry in the US is probably on the verge of a drastic downfall and will mainly be trucks and large SUVs pretty soon. Japan and Korea automakers are in the same boat as the US. Toyota and Honda are the slowest to adopt so far.
There was an interview with the CEO of Ford and he admitted that they can't compete with China on quality and cost.
The US isn't going to collapse economically, but the automotive industry in the US is probably on the verge of a drastic downfall and will mainly be trucks and large SUVs pretty soon. Japan and Korea automakers are in the same boat as the US. Toyota and Honda are the slowest to adopt so far.
Oh, yeah, I remember that. When the first Prius models were hitting the market people were just killing them. Ok, they were a bit ugly, but the tech was great.
Honestly, I think a simple fly wheel or some such can alleviate much of the range issue or at least provide extended range. What I mean is if a simple ground driven wheel can be attached to the rear of the vehicle say on a trailer hitch then when driving highway/interstate that wheel is generating electricity. That electricity can be wired into a car like a trailer cable and providing a charge when driving. Much like the gas powered range extender on the old Chevy Volt. We have the tech to do that and it could be really cheap. I wouldn't think it would provide unlimited range, but maybe extend range 20 percent, so now my 220 mile Solterra is almost 270 miles. That would be huge.
This almost certainly drains more range rather than adding it. EV's already have a recapture of motion with regenerative braking. Adding drag to pull additional weight will increase energy use more than any capture would be.
No systems operate at 100% efficiency, and 100% of the energy that would be generated in a trailer is from the vehicle that is pulling the trailer (battery drain in an EV).
Well, I was a history major for a reason so engineering ain't my thing. All I am saying is we keep hoping and wishing for new and innovative breakthroughs when maybe an older tech can be an answer.
A lot of ideas out there how to use that excess GWh
- Use the excess EV stored energy to power your home at night during peak rate hours. Then recharge EV battery overnight during low rate hours. That also solves back-up power needs during grid power outage.
- Then there will be self driving cars. Most Americans drive their cars less than an hour a day. We use our most expensive depreciating investment less than 4 percent of the time! So that presents two options:
- So why even buy, just use a driverless Uber vehicle to get around. I believe the projected price will be around 25percent of current Uber costs.
- Buy a car, but then monetize the asset by having it serve as a ride share vehicle when your not using it.
