When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[Tailg8er]

@Tailg8er can you tell me why you think this is funny?

Sure - "We (the US) are in so much trouble. Our economy is going to look 3rd world like if we keep insisting on oil & ICE vehicles".

I think that's hilarious. Whether we go all in on electric or not, I don't think our vehicle choices are going to make our economy look "3rd world like", and think it's hilarious to suggest such. I'm sure we'll continue transitioning away from ICE, and I think the US will be just fine if it's not done at the rate of other nations.

 

[twojman]

Sure - "We (the US) are in so much trouble. Our economy is going to look 3rd world like if we keep insisting on oil & ICE vehicles".

I think that's hilarious. Whether we go all in on electric or not, I don't think our vehicle choices are going to make our economy look "3rd world like", and think it's hilarious to suggest such. I'm sure we'll continue transitioning away from ICE, and I think the US will be just fine if it's not done at the rate of other nations.

People that can't see beyond cars agree with you 100%. Imagine this technology in the military. A tank that can go 1500 KM without refuel? What if the technology gets built with micro solar panels on that tank. The only reason it would need to stop is ammunition. Guess who's behind on that tech?

Batteries are the future and the US is way behind. Harnessing wind and solar are absolutely necessary and we will need batteries to store that power. How far behind is the US in that tech?

The myopic view that cars are the only thing related to EV tech is why the US is so far behind.

 

[ScottyP]

As I've been saying, US is way behind the curve when it comes to EVs. We, as a country, are going to be in big trouble because of this.

Keep in mind that many of these EU and Asian countries are much better set up for EV success due to commute distance. Much of the US was developed around ICE vehicles while other countries were developed much earlier.

 

[ScottyP]

People that can't see beyond cars agree with you 100%. Imagine this technology in the military. A tank that can go 1500 KM without refuel? What if the technology gets built with micro solar panels on that tank. The only reason it would need to stop is ammunition. Guess who's behind on that tech?

Batteries are the future and the US is way behind. Harnessing wind and solar are absolutely necessary and we will need batteries to store that power. How far behind is the US in that tech?

The myopic view that cars are the only thing related to EV tech is why the US is so far behind.

Any country not named China is behind.

 

[Tailg8er]

People that can't see beyond cars agree with you 100%. Imagine this technology in the military. A tank that can go 1500 KM without refuel? What if the technology gets built with micro solar panels on that tank. The only reason it would need to stop is ammunition. Guess who's behind on that tech?

Batteries are the future and the US is way behind. Harnessing wind and solar are absolutely necessary and we will need batteries to store that power. How far behind is the US in that tech?

The myopic view that cars are the only thing related to EV tech is why the US is so far behind.

Having a single (or even multiple) passenger cars (likely small) be able to travel that distance != having a tank that can do even close to the same. Would think electric military vehicles would be vulnerable to EMPs & similar tactics, too. I also doubt the US publically releases everything they have or are currently working on, so not sure how you'd know exactly how far we're behind to begin with.

You posted a chart listing millions of electric cars sold, and used that to suggest the US is in "so much" trouble, and could have "3rd world like" economy. Those charts left out a lot of details. What percentage of vehicle purchases in each country are Pickup/SUVs - I bet one of them is much higher than the others.

 

[CascadeClone]

Sure - "We (the US) are in so much trouble. Our economy is going to look 3rd world like if we keep insisting on oil & ICE vehicles".

I think that's hilarious. Whether we go all in on electric or not, I don't think our vehicle choices are going to make our economy look "3rd world like", and think it's hilarious to suggest such. I'm sure we'll continue transitioning away from ICE, and I think the US will be just fine if it's not done at the rate of other nations.

My bigger concern (this is for another thread I suppose) -
Britain led the coal energy transition and was the dominant power for a century
USA led the oil energy transition and was the dominant power for a century
China is leading the electric energy transition and....

 

[Tailg8er]

My bigger concern (this is for another thread I suppose) -
Britain led the coal energy transition and was the dominant power for a century
USA led the oil energy transition and was the dominant power for a century
China is leading the electric energy transition and....

Fair, and personally I'd love if the US invested more in alternative/electric energy. But even if we're slow to adopt, there's a gigantic gap between leading that transition and having a 3rd world like economy.

 

[CascadeClone]

Having a single (or even multiple) passenger cars (likely small) be able to travel that distance != having a tank that can do even close to the same. Would think electric military vehicles would be vulnerable to EMPs & similar tactics, too. I also doubt the US publically releases everything they have or are currently working on, so not sure how you'd know exactly how far we're behind to begin with.

You posted a chart listing millions of electric cars sold, and used that to suggest the US is in "so much" trouble, and could have "3rd world like" economy. Those charts left out a lot of details. What percentage of vehicle purchases in each country are Pickup/SUVs - I bet one of them is much higher than the others.

As much as I am concerned about where the US is on these technologies, I do agree with your point about the stats in the chart being kind of cherry picked and not necessarily the correct comparisons.

 

[isucy86]

Fair, and personally I'd love if the US invested more in alternative/electric energy. But even if we're slow to adopt, there's a gigantic gap between leading that transition and having a 3rd world like economy.

EVs are the future. I don't get too concerned about America's slow adoption, no more than I would have been concerned if the US was slow to adopt cell phones. Both are just tools.

Battery tech is critical to electrification, but we are early days so it's more about 10 years from now. What's in EVs today won't be obsolete in 10 years, but would be like using an early generation iPhone today.

One thing loyalist of ICE vehicles tend to overlook is US oil supplies are not limitless. And as the current issues in Iran highlight, we are dependant on oil imports. And it's not like US oil companies are building new refineries to handle domestic crude.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

One thing loyalist of ICE vehicles tend to overlook is US oil supplies are not limitless. And as the current issues in Iran highlight, we are dependant on oil imports. And it's not like US oil companies are building new refineries to handle domestic crude.

I have nothing against EV's at all.............but this ^^^^^ is exactly what Jimmy Carter said back in the 70's to justify gas lines and a 55mph on the interstate. Right now, and at least until 2028 we aren't dependent on imports plus there are plenty of refineries for domestic crude. Regardless, there wasn't supposed to be any oil 50 years later. He was wrong and so are you. Doesn't mean EV's aren't better or the future. It just means what you said has been played before.

 

[CascadeClone]

One thing loyalist of ICE vehicles tend to overlook is US oil supplies are not limitless. And as the current issues in Iran highlight, we are dependant on oil imports. And it's not like US oil companies are building new refineries to handle domestic crude.

US is a net oil exporter, and thats even with a lot of fracking sources shut down right now. Price here goes up because its a global price, and other countries (esp Asia) are hurting for oil right now based on Iran and thus the price is up. Agree our refining capacity is pretty maxxed out, and no one is going to build more with the expectation of flat/declining demand.

The longer term issue is cost/efficiency. Renewables are a lot cheaper (a LOT cheaper over the long run) and electricity easier to move around than liquids. Cheap easy energy drives civilization. There's a theory that societies/civilizations collapse when energy becomes more expensive / harder to source.

 

[BigTurk]

I have nothing against EV's at all.............but this ^^^^^ is exactly what Jimmy Carter said back in the 70's to justify gas lines and a 55mph on the interstate. Right now, and at least until 2028 we aren't dependent on imports plus there are plenty of refineries for domestic crude. Regardless, there wasn't supposed to be any oil 50 years later. He was wrong and so are you. Doesn't mean EV's aren't better or the future. It just means what you said has been played before.

But why was he wrong? He was wrong because our, and the world's, vehicles became much more efficient. Today's average car is much more energy efficient than something from the 1970s. As is the entire processing and manufacturing system. Also, the world has learned other ways to create petroleum (fracking, algae (just learned that the US military uses algae produced jet fuel in most aircraft now), etc). Those things will continue. The US also has a size issue. Our entire economy relies on cars and trucks and the country is massive. We do not invest in mass transit so we need cars and trucks just to live our daily lives. Other countries, especially those who have to import a lot of their energy, are running away from petroleum as fast as they can, and because of their relative small size can invest more in mass transit.

Carter wasn't wrong because he had incorrect information. He was wrong because of technological advances he couldn't foresee. The oil companies see the writing on the wall. They know with many countries electrifying quickly it can threaten their bottom line, which is why they are buying so many politicians to slow down and possibly reverse the US's transformation. Trump eliminated all the tax benefits for installing home solar and buying electric cars. Why? Because his billionaire buddies and the politicians they bought told him to. The same reason vehicle efficiency standards are being rolled back.

I have an electric car. It is great. I think many of the fears and pearl clutching people have over owning one is unwarranted (I lump my wife into that category), but I certainly understand why an EV wouldn't make sense for some. My SIL has one and they live on a farm in very rural Iowa and she hates it. Likes the car but is constantly on the road and she finds charging a pain, but she deals with it because it is a company car. It really doesn't make sense for what she does.

Anyway, not picking a fight. I found your comment interesting is all.

 

[herbicide]

My bigger concern (this is for another thread I suppose) -
Britain led the coal energy transition and was the dominant power for a century
USA led the oil energy transition and was the dominant power for a century
China is leading the electric energy transition and....

Very dangerous assumption about correlation vs causation here. I certainly don't disagree with the overall message, or deny that energy plays a large role, or that electric/renewables aren't necessary, but...

Britain was the dominant power due to industrialization (coal energy was a side effect, yes the energy was needed but it was not the catalyst)
USA was/is the dominant power due to overall resource availability, 'isolated' from depopulation effects of WW1, and a whole larger scale of industrialization. Much of this dominance was still fueled by coal, especially the earlier years
China...

 

[nfrine]

Close to 60% of China's power comes from coal.

 

[RagingCloner]

I need some opinions. Will probably be buying another vehicle this summer assuming the economy doesn't go down the toilet. If it does I may just buy a Schwinn. Anyway, getting a new driver in the household, so will be doing some vehicle shuffling. Was thinking of getting myself a Maverick Hybrid. I would like to wait until full electric options are available, which sounds like are coming, but my wife does not want both our vehicles to be BEV (she drives a Subaru Solterra). I live in Ankeny. Would it be worth the extra money and reduced mileage for the AWD or just opt for the FWD? My wife insists we need AWD but I am not so sure. Would it be cheaper just to buy a set of good snow tires for the winter and stick with the FWD? If I go with the FWD I can find some used ones. I am open to opinions.

Get an AWD maverick hybrid. You will not be disappointed

 

[AdRock4Cy]

Get an AWD maverick hybrid. You will not be disappointed

How many MPG you get on that hog?

 

[motorcy90]

I need some opinions. Will probably be buying another vehicle this summer assuming the economy doesn't go down the toilet. If it does I may just buy a Schwinn. Anyway, getting a new driver in the household, so will be doing some vehicle shuffling. Was thinking of getting myself a Maverick Hybrid. I would like to wait until full electric options are available, which sounds like are coming, but my wife does not want both our vehicles to be BEV (she drives a Subaru Solterra). I live in Ankeny. Would it be worth the extra money and reduced mileage for the AWD or just opt for the FWD? My wife insists we need AWD but I am not so sure. Would it be cheaper just to buy a set of good snow tires for the winter and stick with the FWD? If I go with the FWD I can find some used ones. I am open to opinions.

FWD and snow tires for winter, or even a good set of all weather tires will be more then enough in Ankeny.

 

[motorcy90]

People that can't see beyond cars agree with you 100%. Imagine this technology in the military. A tank that can go 1500 KM without refuel? What if the technology gets built with micro solar panels on that tank. The only reason it would need to stop is ammunition. Guess who's behind on that tech?

Batteries are the future and the US is way behind. Harnessing wind and solar are absolutely necessary and we will need batteries to store that power. How far behind is the US in that tech?

The myopic view that cars are the only thing related to EV tech is why the US is so far behind.

weight would be a potential issue there. the latest gen Abrams are already pushing 73 tons. adding batteries would not help there. range isn't the real issue for tanks though either. and how easily damaged will those solar panels be? BESS facilities are being built around the nation too with California putting the largest into use just a few years ago.

 

[TitanClone]

CATL is saying they have a 1500km, 6 minute recharge battery. If true that blows any argument for needing ICE cars out of the water. Also, obligatory China is kicking our a** in this space and it's not close.

https://www.ft.com/content/1773de37-2595-4d9f-9536-dbe03ff1f8d3

 

[besserheimerphat]

Electric cars are already more reliable than gasoline ones, according to a German study

A report by ADAC, Germany's leading breakdown assistance provider, shows that electric cars have fewer and less significant breakdowns than combustion engine cars.

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