When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[mark82]

Pure EVs are incredibly efficient, and that's the only way that we've got anything resembling acceptable range. The energy density in the battery technologies available today pales in comparison to the energy density of a gallon of gasoline. I think to the point that 100kWH battery is the equivalent of something like 5 gallons of gas.

This is also why harsh conditions impact range of EVs much more than gasoline cars. The efficiency is so dialed in for an EV, that even a minimum hit to it makes a big difference in range. Internal combustion is so inefficient by comparison, that we often don't notice the drops in efficiency.

The problem with ICE is that the energy density of gasoline is mostly turned into heat, not torque. As I stated earlier, ICEs are a cluge.

Once the next generation of batteries comes out, before the end of 2030 by most predictions, it is game, set match. EVs will rule.

 

[JUKEBOX]

Eventually batteries should become pretty cheap (+better range), and if nuclear fusion comes along, hopefully energy is really cheap too.

If those things happen down the line, I don't think ICE vehicles will remain cost-competitive long-term. (Nuclear fusion doesn't need to happen for EVs to become a better option.) There's a possibility that some form of ICE vehicles would still exist for heavy machinery, trucks, etc. in the future.

That being said, if we're talking about today, I think an ICE vehicle is probably the more practical option if you only need one car in America. Of course, it really depends on your lifestyle and how you use the car.

 

[12191987]

Some really interesting EVs coming this year including one under $30k!

https://insideevs.com/news/782572/2026-ev-predictions-best-cars/

I really like the idea of the Slate truck. Hopefully execution is OK.

 

[mramseyISU]

I can't imagine it is any worse than a Tesla. Their cabin layouts/controls are ridiculous. One of the least ergonomically designed cars.

Tesla made some interesting choices for sure but everything with them feels like somebody had a plan.

The Lucid cabin reminds me of the time when James May was reviewing a Maserati I think it was and he said he got the impression that the cabin was designed by a little Italian man who just showed up one day and told the engineers, put that button there and he left.

 

[dmclone]

Doing a lot more long-distance driving to rural areas in Iowa over the last couple of weeks. Combined with it being cold, it does take a little bit of planning ahead of time to get the best results. Last weekend, we drove 280 miles in one day, and had to stop twice for a total of 25 minutes. Both times in Dows, which isn't the greatest place to charge.

 

[HFCS]

FWIW a gas car blew up on my block two nights ago in a spectacular fashion and made local LA nightly news. Doubt it scares people away from gas cars though.

 

[dmclone]

So far this month:

469 miles
31 drives (includes stopping somewhere in between destinations)
35.8f average temp
50.6mph average
$14.97

I'm probably lucky this is my wife's car. The max speed I've gone numerous times is surprisingly/embarrassingly high, especially at 5:30am when there is no reason for it.

Lost the free FSD last Friday, and I really miss it. Tesla no longer is going to allow you to purchase the package; you'll have to subscribe month-to-month, which is probably for the best for 99% of the people.

 

[Cyclonefan710]

So far this month:

469 miles
31 drives (includes stopping somewhere in between destinations)
35.8f average temp
50.6mph average
$14.97

I'm probably lucky this is my wife's car. The max speed I've gone numerous times is surprisingly/embarrassingly high, especially at 5:30am when there is no reason for it.

Lost the free FSD last Friday, and I really miss it. Tesla no longer is going to allow you to purchase the package; you'll have to subscribe month-to-month, which is probably for the best for 99% of the people.

FSD is so awesome. Aside from pulling into our garage or maybe wanting to pick a parking spot I use 100% FSD. Buying it outright is somewhat tempting considering when this goes to unsupervised it’s not going to be for $99/month.

 

[DSMCy]

FSD is so awesome. Aside from pulling into our garage or maybe wanting to pick a parking spot I use 100% FSD. Buying it outright is somewhat tempting considering when this goes to unsupervised it’s not going to be for $99/month.

What's the cost to buy it?
I thought that was going away and they were only offering it as a monthly subscription going forward?

 

[Cyclonefan710]

What's the cost to buy it?
I thought that was going away and they were only offering it as a monthly subscription going forward?

$8k which the option goes away Feb 14th.

 

[HFCS]

FSD is so awesome. Aside from pulling into our garage or maybe wanting to pick a parking spot I use 100% FSD. Buying it outright is somewhat tempting considering when this goes to unsupervised it’s not going to be for $99/month.

The gas car that exploded into a massive fireball on my block last week...my first thought after seeing the maniac driver footage going 80 in a 25 down my street was that this probably doesn't happen if that irresponsible person is just sitting back zoning out watching a rerun of Friends or filing her nails letting FSD take her to her destination.

Generally I'm incredibly skeptical of AI taking over human work and entire industries, but I think FSD could save a lot of innocent (and not so innocent) lives. The only hesitance I have is a FSD person would become a pretty rusty driver when they have to actually drive, I stopped driving for about 3 years when I lived in a part of Chicago where a car wasn't practical and when I moved and had to start driving again I was kind of rusty for maybe 6 months.

 

[HFCS]

$8k which the option goes away Feb 14th.

Attached to just that car for life of the car?

 

[BryceC]

The gas car that exploded into a massive fireball on my block last week...my first thought after seeing the maniac driver footage going 80 in a 25 down my street was that this probably doesn't happen if that irresponsible person is just sitting back zoning out watching a rerun of Friends or filing her nails letting FSD take her to her destination.

Generally I'm incredibly skeptical of AI taking over human work and entire industries, but I think FSD could save a lot of innocent (and not so innocent) lives. The only hesitance I have is a FSD person would become a pretty rusty driver when they have to actually drive, I stopped driving for about 3 years when I lived in a part of Chicago where a car wasn't practical and when I moved and had to start driving again I was kind of rusty for maybe 6 months.

I hate driving. I am beyond ready for our auto pilot overlords, I’m just still too cheap for it.

 

[HFCS]

I hate driving. I am beyond ready for our auto pilot overlords, I’m just still too cheap for it.

The days I can commute by commuter train are like paradise that help relax me with some nice free time...it's like flying first class for $10-15 with none of the hassles of an airport. Typical city subway almost as good too. I imagine FSD would make me feel somewhat similar.

Days I have to drive through LA for something (and previously Chicago) are basically hell.

 

[Cyclonefan710]

Attached to just that car for life of the car?

That’s one of the iffy parts they’ve had promotions in the past allowing transfers but theres no guarantee for it.

 

[TitanClone]

The days I can commute by commuter train are like paradise that help relax me with some nice free time...it's like flying first class for $10-15 with none of the hassles of an airport. Typical city subway almost as good too. I imagine FSD would make me feel somewhat similar.

Days I have to drive through LA for something (and previously Chicago) are basically hell.

FSD is great but in a city environment you're still going to feel the annoyance of other drivers. Where it really helps kill the annoying things about driving is things like driving from Ames to Des Moines at 10 PM after an 8 PM game at Hilton.

 

[NorthCyd]

I can't wait until I have fully automated driving. I love driving cars with adaptive cruise and lane assist. Even though you still have to be engaged driving it makes for a much more relaxing driving experience. I'm totally ready to be completely hands off. On the other hand my wife is terrified of all of it and I doubt she will ever use the technology even when it is commonly available.

 

[dmclone]

I don't mind driving, but you know how if you drive up to Minneapolis, you're tired from driving. When I've used the latest FSD, it makes you a lot less tired when you get there.

 

[HFCS]

I don't mind driving, but you know how if you drive up to Minneapolis, you're tired from driving. When I've used the latest FSD, it makes you a lot less tired when you get there.

My most common road trip is LA to sierra mnts 4 to 10 hours depending on how far I go (road can be pretty straight or really difficult and winding) and the little bit of planning I’ve had to do for my fast charging has me arriving far more relaxed and rested. Maybe arrive as much as an hour later, but I don’t feel like I just went through some physically demanding task, in hindsight I’d have planned my gas car breaks better to get same feeling.

 

[HFCS]

That’s one of the iffy parts they’ve had promotions in the past allowing transfers but theres no guarantee for it.

Reminds me of people “buying” movies and video games digitally.