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I so loved the ending. Armistice, that little giggle she gave when she fired the automatic weapon... and the sheer ecstasy on her face. That really made my night. And then the post-credits scene. God I love her so much now.
I thought it was great. Ford's redemption was a great story for me. The whole time I thought he was just pure evil, but he was really just playing the long game.
Yes to everything you said. That scene where Ford tells Charlotte "I'll see you tonight" in his Hannibal voice, I knew something was going down, but wasn't sure what. Then scene by scene it became clear and I sat up and said out-loud to my friends
Is he really going to have her kill all of the real people!?! and then the scene where she talks to herslef and looks at the dress/gun I lost it.
Was not expecting the ending at all. Also loved William's reaction to it all, seemed almost happy/impressed.
 
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Are we to assume Ashley is dead? We saw the tribe corner him out in the game, but nothing came out of it. There have been a lot of open ended scenes, which is fine if they preferred unfilmed deaths, I just like some clarity. Liked that dude and would love it if he somehow survived and became a problem for the hosts.
 

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Are we to assume Ashley is dead? We saw the tribe corner him out in the game, but nothing came out of it. There have been a lot of open ended scenes, which is fine if they preferred unfilmed deaths, I just like some clarity. Liked that dude and would love it if he somehow survived and became a problem for the hosts.

Theory: I think he's alive-- I think Elsie had her Ghost Nation hosts kidnap him.
 
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Theory: I think he's alive-- I think Elsie had her Ghost Nation hosts kidnap him.


Could very well be. I hope so. They never showed Elsie's body either. Something is generally off about Bernard. He watched the final scene unfold but didnt seem relieved nor pleased about it. Teddy didnt either. The whole place is very fractured.
 
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Question on Maeve... During last episode she asked the tech (or Bernard?) if there were more like her. Was she referring to being an early generation Arnold creation? Who else have we been introduced to are that vintage? Delores, Maeve, maybe Teddy?
 

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Could very well be. I hope so. They never showed Elsie's body either. Something is generally off about Bernard. He watched the final scene unfold but didnt seem relieved nor pleased about it. Teddy didnt either. The whole place is very fractured.
I thought they showed the scene of Bernard coming behind her and strangling her to death?
 

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Question on Maeve... During last episode she asked the tech (or Bernard?) if there were more like her. Was she referring to being an early generation Arnold creation? Who else have we been introduced to are that vintage? Delores, Maeve, maybe Teddy?
Not teddy, as far as an early-gen host, because they talked about how he was created later to keep Delores in her loop. But He did have inner monologue and memories, so that would lead you to believe that Teddy is an Arnold creation, still. The thing about Arnold creations, are, we don't know exactly when it was that he killed himself. The only "timeline" we have are the parameters of 30 years. Had William come to the park with Logan and met Delores before or after Arnold was killed? I think after, because the talk about Arnold doing it to stop the opening of the park, but it still opened anyway.

What I really want to know about Maeve, and this may be what she was referring to when asking, was what other hosts where programmed with the updated "escape" programming that Bernard said had recently been done. If she was the only one programmed to "escape" what was Ford's(assuming it was ford because it had been done recently) plan for her once she escaped, was it just to see the real world or to cause havoc? If it was more hosts than just her, you have to assume it was Ford releasing the bots on the real world, like he did with the humans in Escalante.
 

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They showed him grab her, but I dont think they showed her die did they?
Well, they didn't show him snap her neck or her legs go limp, but I thought because of the context of the situation, Bernard asking if Ford has ever made him kill anyone before, then he had the flashback to Elsie, it was to be assumed he killed her.
 
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Question on Maeve... During last episode she asked the tech (or Bernard?) if there were more like her. Was she referring to being an early generation Arnold creation? Who else have we been introduced to are that vintage? Delores, Maeve, maybe Teddy?

Clementine and Angela. Abernathy also.

Speaking of, did we see Abernathy in Ep10? I thought for sure he'd have a big role to play in how things went down. Did he appear and I just missed it somehow?
 

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Clementine and Angela. Abernathy also.

Speaking of, did we see Abernathy in Ep10? I thought for sure he'd have a big role to play in how things went down. Did he appear and I just missed it somehow?
He did not appear, but Charlotte and Lee talked about Lee having a "narrative" for Abernathy, IIRC. But I don't remember what the whole plan was. I thought Abernathy was mentioned by them right before Lee went down to the storage facility and found that it was empty
 

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Not teddy, as far as an early-gen host, because they talked about how he was created later to keep Delores in her loop. But He did have inner monologue and memories, so that would lead you to believe that Teddy is an Arnold creation, still. The thing about Arnold creations, are, we don't know exactly when it was that he killed himself. The only "timeline" we have are the parameters of 30 years. Had William come to the park with Logan and met Delores before or after Arnold was killed? I think after, because the talk about Arnold doing it to stop the opening of the park, but it still opened anyway.

What I really want to know about Maeve, and this may be what she was referring to when asking, was what other hosts where programmed with the updated "escape" programming that Bernard said had recently been done. If she was the only one programmed to "escape" what was Ford's(assuming it was ford because it had been done recently) plan for her once she escaped, was it just to see the real world or to cause havoc? If it was more hosts than just her, you have to assume it was Ford releasing the bots on the real world, like he did with the humans in Escalante.

(1) I think after. I think it was pretty much confirmed that there were three timelines. Approximately 35 years ago when Dolores massacred everyone in Escalante. Approximately 30 years ago when Dolores meets William, travels to Escalante, but it is covered in sand. And today when Robert has excavated Escalante for the new massacre of humans by bots.

(2) Good question on Maeve. Maybe something that will be explored in Season 2. There was a reference that she had been through this before, so like Bernard, maybe it was a "test" of Ford. Maybe he is curious to see if they will stay in the loop or actually break out. In Bernard's case, would he decide to be his "partner" or an adversary.
 
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Forgot to mention this earlier but got a kick out of seeing the Bad Robot Productions logo during the post episode credits. Seemed very appropriate and made me laugh.

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(1) I think after. I think it was pretty much confirmed that there were three timelines. Approximately 35 years ago when Dolores massacred everyone in Escalante. Approximately 30 years ago when Dolores meets William, travels to Escalante, but it is covered in sand. And today when Robert has excavated Escalante for the new massacre of humans by bots.

(2) Good question on Maeve. Maybe something that will be explored in Season 2. There was a reference that she had been through this before, so like Bernard, maybe it was a "test" of Ford. Maybe he is curious to see if they will stay in the loop or actually break out. In Bernard's case, would he decide to be his "partner" or an adversary.
Interesting, and with Maeve choosing to go find her daughter, did she essentially pass the test? Because she broke from her "loop" to escape?
 

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i think I know the answer, but I thought "humans" couldn't get hurt in Westworld, hence the reason everyone wants to go there. Is it just that in the hosts
programming, they are not allowed to harm them?
 

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Not teddy, as far as an early-gen host, because they talked about how he was created later to keep Delores in her loop. But He did have inner monologue and memories, so that would lead you to believe that Teddy is an Arnold creation, still. The thing about Arnold creations, are, we don't know exactly when it was that he killed himself. The only "timeline" we have are the parameters of 30 years. Had William come to the park with Logan and met Delores before or after Arnold was killed? I think after, because the talk about Arnold doing it to stop the opening of the park, but it still opened anyway.

What I really want to know about Maeve, and this may be what she was referring to when asking, was what other hosts where programmed with the updated "escape" programming that Bernard said had recently been done. If she was the only one programmed to "escape" what was Ford's(assuming it was ford because it had been done recently) plan for her once she escaped, was it just to see the real world or to cause havoc? If it was more hosts than just her, you have to assume it was Ford releasing the bots on the real world, like he did with the humans in Escalante.

We do know, Arnold was dead before william and logan arrived.
 
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i think I know the answer, but I thought "humans" couldn't get hurt in Westworld, hence the reason everyone wants to go there. Is it just that in the hosts
programming, they are not allowed to harm them?
It's in the code. MiB smiled at the end because he has been pushing for a more real experience, i.e. hosts can fight back.
 

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Can't you suspend disbelief with the goal of being entertained? I'm guessing there was at least 1 plot hole in Star Wars but it was still a tremendous movie. I love GoT and you'll probably tell me dragons aren't physically capable of flight, breathing AND fire.

I don't think Santa is real, but I love the idea that he might be.
Oh dear lord, I enjoyed the show. Loved it. I have no problem suspending disbelief and being entertained. That doesn't mean I turn my brain off afterward, though. It's possible to both enjoy something and recognize its boundaries.

Your logic is so intellectually dishonest. Your example of Santa is perfect evidence. You love Santa. Great, me too. It's magical to see my kids talk about him, and see how much joy it brings. I love my memories of being a child and experiencing it. I love every bit of it. But, that doesn't mean that I have to ignore the implausibility of it. That doesn't take anything away from it. I think it actually enhances it. And if it did take away, that would only be a measure of the smallness of one's own mind. Thank goodness I don't have that problem.

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