WBB: General All-NCAA Thread - Not Team Cyclones Stuff

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Since this is about other women's basketball issues and clock issue calls came up in another thread I think with a shot clock the 5 second call is useless. There is the issue is the player guarding close enough or does the ball handler move enough so no one official calls it the same. And as I said you have a shot clock so why add another rule to confuse already confused officials.
 
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Since this is about other women's basketball issues and clock issue calls came up in another thread I think with a shot clock the 5 second call is useless. There is the issue is the player guarding close enough or does the ball handler move enough so no one official calls it the same. And as I said you have a shot clock so why add another rule to confuse already confused officials.
I learned something a couple of days ago. College (men and women) ONLY have 5 second closely guarded while holding the ball. NFHS still has while holding and dribbling. Thus in high school if closely guarded you can catch the ball, hold for 4 seconds, dribble for 4 seconds and hold for 4 seconds. In college, if you are dribbling, there is no count. It was explained, that is due to the shot clock. It was felt there is no need to have the closely guarded while dribbling, but kept the holding portion for when teams trap and contain a player with the ball and they are having difficulty getting a pass off.

That makes sense to me. If high schools ever all go to shot clock (which I have liked in Iowa so far), I would like to see that change for that level too.
 

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I learned something a couple of days ago. College (men and women) ONLY have 5 second closely guarded while holding the ball. NFHS still has while holding and dribbling. Thus in high school if closely guarded you can catch the ball, hold for 4 seconds, dribble for 4 seconds and hold for 4 seconds. In college, if you are dribbling, there is no count. It was explained, that is due to the shot clock. It was felt there is no need to have the closely guarded while dribbling, but kept the holding portion for when teams trap and contain a player with the ball and they are having difficulty getting a pass off.

That makes sense to me. If high schools ever all go to shot clock (which I have liked in Iowa so far), I would like to see that change for that level too.
The shot clock in Iowa high school basketball was LONG overdue. A few years back Lamoni had the #1 or 2 ranked team in the state. High flying...big scoring team (two went on to be college all-Americans. The team that beat them at state just used the old Lute Olsen four corners offense. Pass, dribble, pass, dribble...never put up a shot unless there was a break down. Lamoni could score in 5-10 seconds each time...the other team would take up to 1:30 or 2:00 per possession. To me that's not basketball.
 
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Crazy night in the conference.
 

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TeamBig 12 RecordPct.HomeAwayStreakOverall RecordPct.HomeAwayNeutralStreak
Texas 11-3.7867-04-3L120-7.74113-15-42-2L1
Oklahoma 11-3.7866-15-2W521-4.84012-17-32-0W5
Iowa State 8-5.6156-12-4W116-7.69611-13-52-1W1
Oklahoma State 8-5.6156-12-4W418-7.72013-23-42-1W4
West Virginia 7-6.5385-22-4W216-8.66711-22-53-1W2
Baylor 7-6.5383-34-3L316-9.64010-44-32-2L3
Kansas 6-7.4624-22-5L116-8.66711-24-61-0L1
Texas Tech 4-9.3082-42-5L316-10.61511-53-52-0L3
Kansas State 4-9.3084-30-6W115-11.57712-30-63-2W1
TCU 0-13.0000-60-7L136-18.2506-90-90-0L13
 

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TeamBig 12 RecordPct.HomeAwayStreakOverall RecordPct.HomeAwayNeutralStreak
Texas11-3.7867-04-3L120-7.74113-15-42-2L1
Oklahoma11-3.7866-15-2W521-4.84012-17-32-0W5
Iowa State8-5.6156-12-4W116-7.69611-13-52-1W1
Oklahoma State8-5.6156-12-4W418-7.72013-23-42-1W4
West Virginia7-6.5385-22-4W216-8.66711-22-53-1W2
Baylor7-6.5383-34-3L316-9.64010-44-32-2L3
Kansas6-7.4624-22-5L116-8.66711-24-61-0L1
Texas Tech4-9.3082-42-5L316-10.61511-53-52-0L3
Kansas State4-9.3084-30-6W115-11.57712-30-63-2W1
TCU0-13.0000-60-7L136-18.2506-90-90-0L13
So….you’re saying there's a chance?
 

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Crazy night in the conference.
Now I feel less terrible about losing in Manhattan and more terrible about losing to Baylor.
 
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I learned something a couple of days ago. College (men and women) ONLY have 5 second closely guarded while holding the ball. NFHS still has while holding and dribbling. Thus in high school if closely guarded you can catch the ball, hold for 4 seconds, dribble for 4 seconds and hold for 4 seconds. In college, if you are dribbling, there is no count. It was explained, that is due to the shot clock. It was felt there is no need to have the closely guarded while dribbling, but kept the holding portion for when teams trap and contain a player with the ball and they are having difficulty getting a pass off.

That makes sense to me. If high schools ever all go to shot clock (which I have liked in Iowa so far), I would like to see that change for that level too.
This may be how they are supposed to call it but watch games and the way it is called is different per official. I still go back to we have a shot clock so there is no need for the 5 second rule. Much like 3 seconds in the lane that is again not a consistent call.
 

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Kansas got this look with :02 left to send their game at WVU into OT. She missed.

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Competing meltdowns in Lubbock.

Tech up 1 in the final minute, and Gerlich straight tackles an OSU player who had grabbed a rebound. Intentional foul (2 shots and ball).

OSU only makes one, to tie. Ensuing possession, 27 seconds of dribble and a drive that results in no shot, and a shot clock violation.

Tech then misses a 15-footer at buzzer.

Off to overtime.
 
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More panicky hoops.

OSU up 8 halfway through OT, didn't score again. Tech ties it up 67-67.

OSU gets a steal with :05 left and chucks it up immediately from half court instead of driving in for a much higher percentage shot.

OT #2.