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[jaretac]

explain this a bit, most folks find plain concrete rather "lifeless"

Do we want to come across as anything else? Don't we want people to see our team as "lifeless" when they play us?

Seriously though, there are three reasons why I prefer this.

First it matches better with the style of the buildings around it. The Iowa State center is all concrete, no exposed steel. Bergstrom has both elements, but notable the pilers are concrete and not steel. Jack Trice has some exposed steel, but most of it is out of view when your inside the stadium. In fact from inside the stadium, almost all you see is concrete and very little steel anywhere.

Second, it will make that end of the stadium feel more closed in and in this way will help the Jake fill in that side of the stadium. Just ask any interior designer or architect. The more solid it is or looks the more it will help enclose the north end zone.

Last, concrete is a sign of strength and power. Ever see Hoover Dam? I live and work about an hour away from the largest concrete structure in the US, Grand Coulee Dam. I get chills just driving by it. Would the St. Louis arch be as iconic if it was exposed steal?

I'm not even saying we should do solid concrete. They could attach panels to the steel that make it look like concrete. Also I in no way think they should get rid of the steel design in the cross structure. If we want it to look more like Bergstrom it should be concrete pilers and exposed steel on the cross structure.

 

[bluestarcyclone]

steal- when you take something from someone without permission.
steel- the stuff you build things with.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Do we want to come across as anything else? Don't we want people to see our team as "lifeless" when they play us?

Seriously though, there are three reasons why I prefer this.

First it matches better with the style of the buildings around it. The Iowa State center is all concrete, no exposed steal. Bergstrom has both elements, but notable the pilers are concrete and not steal. Jack Trice has some exposed steal, but most of it is out of view when your inside the stadium. In fact from inside the stadium, almost all you see is concrete and very little steal anywhere.

Second, it will make that end of the stadium feel more closed in and in this way will help the Jake fill in that side of the stadium. Just ask any interior designer or architect. The more solid it is or looks the more it will help enclose the north end zone.

Last, concrete is a sign of strength and power. Ever see Hoover Dam? I live and work about an hour away from the largest concrete structure in the US, Grand Coulee Dam. I get chills just driving by it. Would the St. Louis arch be as iconic if it was exposed steal?

I'm not even saying we should do solid concrete. They could attach panels to the steal that make it look like concrete. Also I in no way think they should get rid of the steal design in the cross structure. If we want it to look more like Bergstrom it should be concrete pilers and exposed steal on the cross structure.

The St. Louis Arch for all intents and purposes IS exposed steel - stainless steel, to be exact...

Both the width and height of the arch are 630 feet (192 m).[6][27] The arch is the tallest memorial in the United States and the tallest stainless steel monument in the world.[28]

Gateway Arch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[CONEClone]

Do we want to come across as anything else? Don't we want people to see our team as "lifeless" when they play us?

Seriously though, there are three reasons why I prefer this.

First it matches better with the style of the buildings around it. The Iowa State center is all concrete, no exposed steal. Bergstrom has both elements, but notable the pilers are concrete and not steal. Jack Trice has some exposed steal, but most of it is out of view when your inside the stadium. In fact from inside the stadium, almost all you see is concrete and very little steal anywhere.

Second, it will make that end of the stadium feel more closed in and in this way will help the Jake fill in that side of the stadium. Just ask any interior designer or architect. The more solid it is or looks the more it will help enclose the north end zone.

Last, concrete is a sign of strength and power. Ever see Hoover Dam? I live and work about an hour away from the largest concrete structure in the US, Grand Coulee Dam. I get chills just driving by it. Would the St. Louis arch be as iconic if it was exposed steal?

I'm not even saying we should do solid concrete. They could attach panels to the steal that make it look like concrete. Also I in no way think they should get rid of the steal design in the cross structure. If we want it to look more like Bergstrom it should be concrete pilers and exposed steal on the cross structure.

You realize the St. Louis Arch is made of exposed steel?

 

[bluestarcyclone]

You realize the St. Louis Arch is made of exposed steel?

Its got a stainless steel skin, but i dont believe the stainless steel is the main structural element.


from wiki:
Each wall consists of a stainless steel skin covering a sandwich of two carbon steel walls with reinforced concrete in the middle from ground level to 300 feet (91 m), with carbon steel to the peak.[30][31] The arch is hollow to accommodate a unique tram system that takes visitors to an observation deck at the top.[32]

 

[jaretac]

The St. Louis Arch for all intents and purposes IS exposed steel - stainless steel, to be exact...



Gateway Arch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I should have specified steel beam structure. If the arch did not have the steel panels it would not be as iconic. Lets be honest, the way the Arch was built wasn't to make St Louis feel warm and full of life, it was built so to leave people in awe and we wouldn't be in awe if the base structure wasn't covered by panels, in this case steel.

 

[Mr Janny]

I should have specified steel beam structure. If the arch did not have the steel panels it would not be as iconic. Lets be honest, the way the Arch was built wasn't to make St Louis feel warm and full of life, it was built so to leave people in awe and we wouldn't be in awe if the base structure wasn't covered by panels, in this case steel.

umm...

 

[CONEClone]

Its got a stainless steel skin, but i dont believe the stainless steel is the main structural element.


from wiki:
Each wall consists of a stainless steel skin covering a sandwich of two carbon steel walls with reinforced concrete in the middle from ground level to 300 feet (91 m), with carbon steel to the peak.[30][31] The arch is hollow to accommodate a unique tram system that takes visitors to an observation deck at the top.[32]

But it's still exposed steel (stainless steel is still steel). The OP was saying it was concrete.

 

[ISUKyro]

umm...

We all know anything French is not allowed in CF debates......... Unless it involves the metric system

 

[jaretac]

You guys are arguing semantics and not actually addressing the claim. And I'm sorry, but I have never viewed the Eiffel Tower as a sign of strength and power. It is more for amusement as something unique. I've always wanted to see notre dame far more than the Eiffel tower.

 

[Mr Janny]

You guys are arguing semantics and not actually addressing the claim. And I'm sorry, but I have never viewed the Eiffel Tower as a sign of strength and power.

Is that what a scoreboard is supposed to do? Convey a sense of strength and power?

 

[jaretac]

Is that what a scoreboard is supposed to do? Convey a sense of strength and power?

The scoreboard is supposed to provide fans with the score as well as other stats. If you want I can find the wiki article about scoreboards.

The design of the structure should match that of the rest of the stadium and surrounding buildings. This design only matches one structure, Bergstrom. Even with Bergstrom the exposed steel is limited to the roof.

And in my opinion, yes. A football stadium should be designed to convey a sense of strength and power. You want to be able to intimidate the opposing team, not listen to them laugh at our big jungle gym.

For the record, I think it is a major improvement regardless, but I do wish they were doing concrete.

 

[jsmith86]

You guys are arguing semantics and not actually addressing the claim. And I'm sorry, but I have never viewed the Eiffel Tower as a sign of strength and power. It is more for amusement as something unique. I've always wanted to see notre dame far more than the Eiffel tower.

I dunno. I'd say that with its size and shape that it was intended to exude power, especially as it was the tallest structure in the world for 41 years. Now step back and consider it back in 1889 when most other buildings were maybe 2 or 3 stories tall.

 

[VeloClone]

I dunno. I'd say that with its size and shape that it was intended to exude power, especially as it was the tallest structure in the world for 41 years. Now step back and consider it back in 1889 when most other buildings were maybe 2 or 3 stories tall.

Pretty impressive for a "temporary" structure.

 

[Mr Janny]

I dunno. I'd say that with its size and shape that it was intended to exude power, especially as it was the tallest structure in the world for 41 years. Now step back and consider it back in 1889 when most other buildings were maybe 2 or 3 stories tall.

This. Exposed steel design is absolutely intended to express strength. It shows the skeletal backbone of the structure, making clear it's foundation, organization, and structure. It hides nothing. Very good concepts for a football stadium to display.

 

[CtownCyclone]

Its got a stainless steel skin, but i dont believe the stainless steel is the main structural element.


from wiki:
Each wall consists of a stainless steel skin covering a sandwich of two carbon steel walls with reinforced concrete in the middle from ground level to 300 feet (91 m), with carbon steel to the peak.[30][31] The arch is hollow to accommodate a unique tram system that takes visitors to an observation deck at the top.[32]

It is carbon steel. And it is rusting.

Arch corrosion continues unabated

 

[jaretac]

This. Exposed steel design is absolutely intended to express strength. It shows the skeletal backbone of the structure, making clear it's foundation, organization, and structure. It hides nothing. Very good concepts for a football stadium to display.

Are you saying these structures don't display power?

You names one structure which can be debated. There are thousands of structures the convey a sense of power and awe and the vast majority are concrete, brick of some sort, concrete paneled, or paneled to look like concrete.

 

[Mr Janny]

Are you saying these structures don't display power?

You names one structure which can be debated. There are thousands of structures the convey a sense of power and awe and the vast majority are concrete, brick of some sort, concrete paneled, or paneled to look like concrete.

Where did anyone ever say that concrete structures don't display power?

The point is that exposed steel can display it, as well.

 

[CONEClone]

Why are we arguing about architecture? Leave it to Cyclone Fanatic...we'll find a way to start arguing about anything.

 

[bluestarcyclone]

Why are we arguing about architecture? Leave it to Cyclone Fanatic...we'll find a way to start arguing about anything.

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