Toxic work environment

FWIW, if all HR is doing is carrying out the dirty work that the business needs they, and the business, are missing out on a bigger strategic piece of the function, and in the process, compensating for poor leadership.

Probably true. But if you work in a company where nobody trusts management, or the feedback that has been given in the past is completely ignored, HR is never going to know about the issues or opportunities to compensate for poor leadership. It’s just a no win situation to bring it up as a regular salaried grunt. And once your culture gets there, good freaking luck getting out of it.
 
One thing that is incredibly different today = office personal can vary in age by as much as 50 yrs! Leaders really have to step-up in order to engage confidence (collectively) anymore. Water cooler discussions turn into instant gossip faster than you know what. Communicative styles differ vastly from generation to generation. Difficult to truly connect, engage, etc. with all. Instilling personal accountability takes more than bonus/incentives. It’s all about the meaningful experiences “at work” as well now. Otherwise, people will leave.
 
Probably true. But if you work in a company where nobody trusts management, or the feedback that has been given in the past is completely ignored, HR is never going to know about the issues or opportunities to compensate for poor leadership. It’s just a no win situation to bring it up as a regular salaried grunt. And once your culture gets there, good freaking luck getting out of it.
All good signs / signals to leave your role and find something else like in @dahliaclone case. Leaders are going to get the behaviors they exhibit and tolerate.
 
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I worked at a place that offered free and confidential counseling - except that it wasn't confidential. The manager was notified (mine was divorce counseling), which got me red-circled and harassed until I resigned. It all worked out good in my case - 16 weeks severance pay with a volsep and I had a better job offer in hand (4 day work week and 10% pay raise).
 
Yes, I’ve experienced an extremely toxic work environment at a relatively small, family-owned business with about 200 employees. Ironically, the first three years were great — I felt respected, well-compensated, and had a healthy work-life balance.

Then the founder and CEO stepped down, handing control to his son. Things turned toxic almost immediately. I won’t bore you with the details, but I walked away with a few hard-earned lessons.
  • You can go from being labeled a top performer to persona non grata in a matter of months — all depending on the whims of a new boss.
  • Sometimes it’s less about what you’ve accomplished and more about who can best mirror the new boss’s style and ego.
  • HR in small, family-owned companies is often powerless, and the owners aren’t bound by meaningful policies or accountability structures.
  • It’s always wise to maintain strong connections within your industry — with former employers, colleagues, and peers. Those relationships can be lifelines.
  • And never feel guilty about taking side gigs. They can be a solid backup if things go south. As long as you’re fulfilling your responsibilities at your main job and not competing with it, what you do outside of work is your business.
In the end, things got really bad. But I mostly realize it wasn’t about me — it was about the instability of working under someone handed control of a company solely because his last name matched the founder’s.

Many talented people were driven out or let go. One person on my team had worked there since 2001 and was labeled “essential” during the pandemic — only to be let go once the new boss took over.

Even the COO, a smart and highly competent leader with prior experience at a publicly traded company, was let go after eight years. Running a small company was well within his wheelhouse, but competence wasn’t what the new leadership valued.

Candidly, it still stings to think about how quickly a good situation can unravel with little explanation. I’d never experienced anything like that before — and hopefully never will again. But if I do, at least I have a few lessons I can reflect on.
 
I worked at a place that offered free and confidential counseling - except that it wasn't confidential. The manager was notified (mine was divorce counseling), which got me red-circled and harassed until I resigned. It all worked out good in my case - 16 weeks severance pay with a volsep and I had a better job offer in hand (4 day work week and 10% pay raise).
That has to be illegal.
 
I worked at a place that offered free and confidential counseling - except that it wasn't confidential. The manager was notified (mine was divorce counseling), which got me red-circled and harassed until I resigned. It all worked out good in my case - 16 weeks severance pay with a volsep and I had a better job offer in hand (4 day work week and 10% pay raise).
Well congrats because you don’t have to work again with the massive lawsuit the counseling group will be paying you
 
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Sometimes, this means "we would fire you if we could, but that is a lot a hassle and paperwork, so we are just going to make you miserable until you leave."

The counter offensive to that is quiet quitting. It pains me to say that, as an ardent capitalist who enjoys their career. But these top heavy corporations bring it on themselves.



chromdriver + selenium + a simple python script, and you will have the highest slack availability of any employee in your company. "That guy never sleeps!"

Hmmm... sensing a business opportunity here.

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I have the strong hold. Told my Sr Director to **** off a couple hours ago
 
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Sons who took over their dad’s business is my absolutely least favorite category of person.
Now create a subcategory to include “Sons who took over their dad’s business AND hired their best friend from high school.”
 
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I have the strong hold. Told my Sr Director to **** off a couple hours ago
Good for you.

The thing I miss most about former roles where I was not expendable was being able to speak freely at all times to anyone.

Did I infer correctly you’re at Oracle?
 
Good for you.

The thing I miss most about former roles where I was not expendable was being able to speak freely at all times to anyone.

Did I infer correctly you’re at Oracle?
I know I'm fortunate in the sense of having an open door
 
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I came to the meeting with my concerns over the past few months, as well as my concerns on how the meeting went yesterday. They took the information without getting too defensive, but still responded with 'we appreciate your feedback but we disagree with it'. It wasn't heated. It wasn't accusatory on either side. At the end though, due to my stress level of the work environment and them not taking that very seriously, and the behavior of the HR person and my manager in recent meetings, I put in my resignation and offered two weeks. They said two weeks isn't needed, but will pay me for a month. So I'm officially done. AND, I got a consulting job offer a bit ago that I can do while still looking/interviewing for full time and it pays more than the job I left.

I appreciate all of the messages and feedback. Truly helpful, so thank you.
This is what we tune in for, like a movie you hope is going to end a certain way but you aren't quite sure until it happens.

You played it right and it worked out. Great instincts, and on to better things. Thanks again for letting it play out in front of a bunch of people you don't know who offered a full spectrum of advice.