As I understand it, yes, yes, and no (at least directly?). That's based on the CW/BB podcast a week or two ago.
Title IX New Ruling Changes NIL Payments for Athletes
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Would agree the memo was issued with an agenda. It's smart politics to push the issue into the courts, even if a new DOE takes a different perspective.
I understand why the House Settlement is characterizing the $20M as NIL payments. But I suspect a good lawyer is going question if these payments are truly NIL vs. compensation/financial assistance. If these direct school payments are truly NIL payments, wouldn't they differ by P4 school? Aka Ohio State FB might be $20M while ISU would be $7M.
Seems to me universities need to "hire" some of the smart lawyers in their law schools and come up with a 2025 Student-Athlete model that can stand the test of legal scrutiny. Instead of skirting around the edges, create a sustainable model.
Here's a commentary from National Law Review
Do you need to have collective bargaining to get an antitrust exemption? I'm guessing that's how the NFL, NBA, etc. get away with it. Have a player's union that can negotiate with the league.
I'm not sure how the claim can be made that college basketball is a monopoly. Players Players can play in the D-league, NBA or Europe whenever they want (exception: need to be 19 or play one year in college before NBA eligibility). I can see validity to the claim that college football is a monopoly since those players can't play in the NFL until a certain age and there isn't really another pro option.
I think it’s actually 3 yes’s haven’t seen anywhere where collectives won’t be able to pay players
I think it’s an open question of whether Collectives will continue to exist or all go “in house”. Guessing they will in some form, especially as a way to get around the caps. If they continue to exist, ADs are going to have to account for those contributions eventually as part of, in ISU’s case Cyclone Club contributions for tickets, etc. Its getting harder to ask Joe Donor for Club donations and Collective Contributions without providing some sort of additional incentive beyond having good teams.
100% not going in house. The moment that happens you open yourself up to a ton of legal issues and other problems.
AD’s also don’t have to account for those as they need to remain separate for the reasons above.
You can ask Joe donor for whatever you feel like but Joe donor isn’t forced to do anything
i dont think so. isnt the settlement in part for NIL deprivations of past players? It is a fact that male football and basketball players were the ones most damaged by the play for free model. You cant rewrite facts. Women--i love them!-have their niche. WVU game the wbb team 10 million this year! that's a nice chunk. But they cant be forced to--i dont believe that will withstand sct scrutiny.
Yeah title 9 will have a say in those funds. It’s not about value. That’s the whole reason title 9 exists in the first place is to make sure you can’t hand waive stuff like this.
I’m with you that it doesn’t make sense and isn’t based in logic but I’m pretty confident that will happen either right away or after a lawsuit
18 year olds with $1m+ dollars in their hands, what could go wrong? The point is that they are making more than players do in the NFL which is a professional sport. College is still "amateur". By increasing the NIL money through the university, you the fan are absorbing all the cost. At this point we are paying kids well beyond their worth that have not proven themselves at the next level. There is a reason the NFL has rookie salary caps. see the Sam Bradford rule. They realized quickly that the money was a bad bet in P4P. Now we see Carson Beck making $4million next year when he wouldnt be making that at the next level. Not sure your logic in why it doesnt make sense to put in limits. If the NCAA set spending limits, teams certainly wouldn't be paying individuals 25% of their entire budget. The players are staying in college longer for money grabs, not for ongoing education.
"Lots of people go to college for 7 years Tommy, they are called doctors."
Fans pay what they want, no one is forced to do anything, they don’t come knock on your door and take away your fandom if you don’t contribute to NIL.
Saying things could go wrong because they are 18 is a pretty trash argument, the vast majority of Americans are idiots with money and these kids have the resources of a whole university to help guide them on the right track. Haven’t seen very many issues with this anywhere even during the Wild West of NIL. I have heard a bunch of positive stories though.
Carson beck it worth what someone is willing to pay him, same for your job or anyone else’s job. If a team is overpaying him that’s a them problem. Not the fault of the athlete
When you talk to enough people who have been around this for a long time, I hate to say it hasn’t been about student/athletes for a very long time.
Promotion/relegation is fine for pro sports where you can have some semblance of continuity but in college sports where players are playing for a maximum of 4 years by the time a non-blueblood has gotten the promotions many of the difference maker players who got them there will likely be gone so they won't have much if any window to compete at the higher level. This would be even more accentuated if there are multiple levels that you have to promote through to get to the top level. Many teams would never have a shot of getting enough continuity to ever make a jump to the highest level and then win there.
It's actually kind of disgusting that the NCAA has hung on to the term 'student-athlete' so strongly. It's nothing more than propaganda to try to keep them in business and draw sympathy.
Every legitimate academic requirement has been stripped away in the past 20 years and when you're so incompetent that you can't set realistic transfer guidelines, it shows what the true commitment to the education side is.
If they'd have had anything resembling leadership in the 90s and 00s we may not have gotten to the point where all the rules are swinging back and forth based on the whims of whatever the most recent judge says.
Every legitimate academic requirement has been stripped away in the past 20 years and when you're so incompetent that you can't set realistic transfer guidelines, it shows what the true commitment to the education side is.
If they'd have had anything resembling leadership in the 90s and 00s we may not have gotten to the point where all the rules are swinging back and forth based on the whims of whatever the most recent judge says.
I haven’t seen any explanation of the specifics but I’ve also seen people allude to an expectation that the collectives will go away once the House settlement gets approved.
It all seems like wishful thinking to me though. Like I still fully expect Tennessee and other schools like that to want to buy recruits with million dollar enticements and if anyone challenges them they will just take it to court.
No, fans don't pay what they want if you are attending. Minimums go up and up. Don't you think patrick mahomes would get 100million+ a year if not for salary caps? That's the point. Without salary caps it's just which college and donors have thr biggest pocketbook. This has been the case in the past, but setting a cap makes play and talent equal (in theory). This whole thing is blowing up before us and folks like you don't even seem to notice? Tv programming rights go up and up as well.
Man A&M must be racking up the national championships then with the amount they spent. Miami must be building a new trophy case as they speak for all their financial spending, oh wait, neither school has made a playoff ever!?! Oh carry on.
Also, if it’s getting too expensive you don’t have to go to the games man. Prices were going up after an 11 win season no matter what was happening for NIL.
I wasn’t sure where to put this. This surprised me.
IU Athletics eliminates 25 positions in layoffs as it braces for NCAA revenue sharing
The Indiana athletics department eliminated 25 positions as it looks to trim 10% of the budget from each of its auxiliaries and programs.
www.indystar.com
