A note from the broadcast - I may have heard it wrong but THT is the second YOUNGEST D1 player having just turned 18 in November. Anyone else catch that and did I hear it right?
Time to Start Wigg
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A note from the broadcast - I may have heard it wrong but THT is the second YOUNGEST D1 player having just turned 18 in November. Anyone else catch that and did I hear it right?
This. CSP is going to earn every $ of his contract this year as I think it could be a different combination every night that works. Minutes played is much better measure of what is working than who starts. For that matter, 3-2 in conference and tied for 3rd with a very young team is probably the best measure?
I think Wigginton should start, so I was surprised to see how late he got onto the floor for the first half and that he didn't start the second half. I thought last night was going to be Prohm's game to make the switch to Wigginton starting. Now, with a win, it is hard to think he will make the switch on Saturday for Oklahoma State.
Or I can see that both LW is struggling a little and the stats back them up. Right now, it's tough to put he and THT out there together and there really isn't any difference between the two. We think Wigginton has the shooting upside we saw last year but we are very far from seeing it.
I agree with this, plus THT is physical guard that can defend the other team's 3 or 4. I like our size better if Lindell starts in place of TH, but I honestly wouldn't change the starting lineup just for the sake of change. Who starts doesn't matter much to me. Change can be disruptive and there is some risk.
If you think there’s no difference between the two, particularly in what they contribute that may not hit the box score, that tells me you’re not watching the games.
Good point, I noticed that on the three pointer he hit (I think against K State), he was leaning forward rather than back and it was pure.
I'm fine with a LW vs THT debate, let's just not bring defense into it. LW is horrendous defensively, at least THT swats guys who get past him.
Despite scoring struggles, both LW and THT are helping the team win in different ways. I'd say neither jumps out over the other right now, so I think it really comes down to which guy will likely handle each role better. But there is no way you reduce Haliburton's minutes.
As far as minutes, assuming the next few games Lard is back but needing to transition into more minutes, I'd go something like this:
- Shayok - 35: Somehow a bit underappreciated by our fanbase in my opinion. He had a rough stretch of a couple minutes last night during TTUs run, but the guy has carried a high usage load and remained efficient, and has done well drawing some tough defensive assignments
- Haliburton - 35: Just needs as many minutes as he can handle. So efficient on both ends of the court.
-LW - 30: Has struggled some on both ends, but has been rebounding great, penetrating and dishing much better. Even if not getting assists, his ability to get in the lane has created problems for defenses and leads to some good looks. Some of this is based on projecting improvement the more he plays and completely knocks the rust off and figures out his role.
- NWB - 30: Continues to do a bit of everything, including compensate for the four guard lineup by rebounding well. Would love to see more attacking if not to score but to stress the defense more, but this is who Nick is, and considering the rest of the lineup, he fits well.
-THT - 25: Struggling scoring, but has been better at creating and taking care of the ball. Provides some flexibility defensively and stepped up his rebounding as well.
-MJ - 25: Better defensively than people think, and really rebounded tough last night, and brings some offensive skill.
-CL - 10: I've been impressed when he's played. Running the floor, playing hard, Once he's back in full form, hopefully in a few games, his minutes will go up. I suppose that would come by shaving a few mins. from Jacobsen, a few from Conditt, and a few from the guards with ISU playing a bigger lineup occasionally
-GC - 10: Even when Cam is back I think he needs some minutes. He's been better on the defensive end than just altering shots - good job getting position, got his hands on passes, got a tie - up. I really like this kid - great energy, great team guy.
I think people overlook THT's defensive versatility as he really allows ISU the ability to switch screens 1-4. Positionally, THT seems to often be in the right place too. THT may be struggling a bit offensively, but defensively he allows us ISU to be at its best.
p.s. Wigginton is a solid rebounding guard, but THT has been pretty valuable rebounding too.
p.s. Wigginton is a solid rebounding guard, but THT has been pretty valuable rebounding too.
If you like winning, you play Halliburton as many minutes as he can handle while playing with high energy. I agree that LW should play a lot of minutes, but I don't think those minutes come from TH unless he's gassed.
Look at it like this, do you want one of our best players coming off the bench and to show frustration and not be a steady player with consistency, or do you want our freshman, who is already showing inconsistencies to come off the bench to try and make that work? It's not really a win-win unless Wigginton can get his explosiveness back. We can clearly see his driving and quickness needs to be out there earlier, as well as his effective passing. You have to either put TH or THT on the bench.
I did like that lineup combination of Babb, Wigginton, Shayok, Haliburton and Conditt in there. Or even when THT was in too. The fact that Conditt is starting to get some quality minutes helps since Lard in sidelined. Lard saying keep him in was a mature and smart thing to do. No reason to rush back a bum ankle if you're still uncertain.
Yeah and it's no different from him or THT launching up 3's. They haven't been hitting them. And for the love of God, I wish Jacobson would slow down on his attempts. He's ice cold.
I would agree, he has this calming effect of the offense. The quiet but yet, effective leader. He knows when to take his shot, and his delayed driving ability is pretty solid.
What we need to know? Did you see the end of the KSU game? Missed FT, matador defense, rushed poor last shot. Under the logic of “him being in” is all we need to know, wouldn’t him not starting really be all we need to know about starting him?
The obsession with advanced stats is far less than those fooled by points/gm and highlight plays.
Wigginton is a great athlete, volume guy. Maybe he improves at some point to earn the starting job, or maybe politics comes into play, but he’s getting more than his fair share as it is.
THT should get the ball more as the facilitator imo.
