Time to Start Wigg

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I said in the game thread, but even if he isn't making shots Wigginton creates second chance opportunities and the way he can get behind the defense. He's also a player that causes the opponent to pick up some fouls for the same quickness.
 
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I disagree. If you’re gonna bench one of them, I think it has to be Halliburton. His energy would be far more positive off the bench. Give the players a boost when they start to slow down a bit. A real defensive pick me up.

Lard and Solo being out means THT needs serious minutes regardless of whether he starts or not. We need the size and the great thing is he's size that doesn't slow us down.
 

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I understand that, but we started to fade when Wigginton wasn't in the game. I don't know who needs to sit more, maybe THT?
Yeah I think the general consensus on this thread is that THT would be the guy Wigginton bumps over.
 

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Tyrese isn't in there to score. He's in there to create and play defense. When he scores it's an added bonus.

He's freshman Morris. If Morris scored 12 it was great. We had him in there to run the offense and facilitate and to be a surprisingly pesky defender for his size.

Tyrese isn't quite where Monte was offensively but he's even better defensively. In a scramble situation he's our best defensive player in terms of getting a steal, block or loose ball.
 

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That was not the point of the post. BECAUSE Wigg is "not effective and efficient enough" as you put it coming off the bench despite playing 25 minutes/game, perhaps he would be more productive as a starter.

The only data we have this season is: (1) he has not been as effective coming off the bench as he was as he has in the past; and (2) the only game in which he started this season, he scored 13 points, 5/11 from the field, and 3/6 from 3-pt range, with 5 rebounds, 3 assists and a steal.

I think that warrants at least some consideration for trying him again as a starter.
It’s a risky coaching move to de facto reward bench-level play. Starting is overrated, except in it’s symbolic value. Prohm has already been sneaking in Wigginton minutes he didn’t earn and other players didn’t lose. Prohm can’t start Wigginton until moments like his poor effort on defense against Brown are in the rear-view mirror.

Wigginton may improve, but it’s a bit amiss to allude to last year as better and labeling this a slump that needs jump starting- it’s just as much an inefficient volume scorer from a bad team that had the benefit of ample opportunities, now playing on a team in which you’ve got to pick your spots. Wigginton starting against Alabama A&M is really grasping at straws. If you’re going that route, you could argue perhaps the question shouldn’t be of Wigginton starting, but is he playing too much? Nearly all of the best team performances of the year didn’t include Wigginton getting the
 
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THT does do a pretty good job rebounding his area and pushing the ball up right away. Underrated aspect of his game nobody has really mentioned.

In about half our games I'll check the box score and see THT was leading rebounder even though I didn't realize it.
 
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THT does do a pretty good job rebounding his area and pushing the ball up right away. Underrated aspect of his game nobody has really mentioned.
Agree.

Let’s say Wigginton starts for THT. Does Shayok defending the four spot deteriorate his offense some? Can he defend the four spot at a level equivalent or better than THT?
 

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Agree.

Let’s say Wigginton starts for THT. Does Shayok defending the four spot deteriorate his offense some? Can he defend the four spot at a level equivalent or better than THT?

Good point. I bet it would. And although I bet Shayok is stronger than THT, he's definitely not longer. THT probably is better in that spot.
 

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For the life of me I can't remember how Wiggs was viewed on defense last year. Didn't he often take on one of the main opponent scorers? Is the foot an issue somewhat yet defensively, do you think? As much as I can't wait for him to find his shooting touch he does do many valuable things out there. Having said that, Mooney literally blew right by him on the drive when he came on the floor.
 

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It’s a risky coaching move to de facto reward bench-level play. Starting is overrated, except in it’s symbolic value. Prohm has already been sneaking in Wigginton minutes he didn’t earn and other players didn’t lose. Prohm can’t start Wigginton until moments like his poor effort on defense against Brown are in the rear-view mirror.

Wigginton may improve, but it’s a bit amiss to allude to last year as better and labeling this a slump that needs jump starting- it’s just as much an inefficient volume scorer from a bad team that had the benefit of ample opportunities, now playing on a team in which you’ve got to pick your spots. Wigginton starting against Alabama A&M is really grasping at straws. If you’re going that route, you could argue perhaps the question shouldn’t be of Wigginton starting, but is he playing too much? Nearly all of the best team performances of the year didn’t include Wigginton getting the
You have no grip on reality and cling to your opinion as fact like a fat kid clings to his last Twinkie. You must have accepted the fact you know nothing about basketball so you just act like you do and treat your own opinion as fact. You are like the Trump of the basketball board.
 

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LTG is exactly right. For those like you that value highlights and per game numbers inflated by high volume, Wigginton is playing well enough to start. But that’s not the game. Currently he’s not effective and efficient enough in all aspect to beat out Babb, Haliburton, or Shayok, and THT is more positionless.

He is getting over 25 minutes on average, that’s more than enough to get him going. If he improves he’ll get more, or perhaps Prohm gives into the politics of hype.

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Lard and Solo being out means THT needs serious minutes regardless of whether he starts or not. We need the size and the great thing is he's size that doesn't slow us down.

Agree, he's the second best rebounder on the team behind Jacobson. As much as we switch, he's a better defensive option when switching on a bigger player vs Haliburton. This is the main reason IMO TH would sit vs THT if Wigg starts.
 

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We're getting close to the switch....

@TravisHines21 Prohm said today he is going to move Wigginton back into the starting lineup but wouldn’t commit to when. Didn’t sound like Saturday but we’ll see.

Now who moves to the 6th man? the debate rages on.
Admittedly, I have not read this entire thread. My two cents on this situation is that Lindell deserves his spot back. He was injured and lost his starting job. Granted, the team played quite well while he was out, but I don't see how you can keep that guy out of the starting lineup. Would love to see him in the starting lineup Saturday.
 

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To me it's simple. You have two guys you are trying to give a bit of a reset to-- THT and Wiggy. By putting Wiggy in as a starter I think you allow him to find his way into the flow quicker and regain that "alpha" mentality. With trying THT on the bench you have a chance to let him settle in ease himself into the flow. It's an approach worth trying for both.
 

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To me it's simple. You have two guys you are trying to give a bit of a reset to-- THT and Wiggy. By putting Wiggy in as a starter I think you allow him to find his way into the flow quicker and regain that "alpha" mentality. With trying THT on the bench you have a chance to let him settle in ease himself into the flow. It's an approach worth trying for both.
Plus the other candidate is one the coach seems like he’d play 40 min if he could.
 

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To me it's simple. You have two guys you are trying to give a bit of a reset to-- THT and Wiggy. By putting Wiggy in as a starter I think you allow him to find his way into the flow quicker and regain that "alpha" mentality. With trying THT on the bench you have a chance to let him settle in ease himself into the flow. It's an approach worth trying for both.

Great points!
 

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