This is why Prohm must go........

[BCoffClone125]

I'm not calling for Prohm to be fired, but the situation each walked into was completely different. Fred walked into a dumpster fire. Prohm walked into Georges ******* niang.

Right, and promptly went to a Sweet 16 his first year. You do realize that Fred didn't sign a high school recruit for 2+ years and left a huge talent gap in our roster after Monte's senior year, right? And this was mostly due to recruiting misses and other schools using NBA rumors against us. Steve dealt with the aftermath of that last year, got his own talent in Ames and brought us back to the tourney this year. What were your honest expectations for the guy?

 

[jsb]

I firmly support Steve Prohm as our coach. We are fortunate to have him. He represents the program well. With that being said, he was the beneficiary of playing in a very weak conference this past season. He needs to get a lot better at X's and O's if we are going to have success in the NCAA tournament. The Big 12 is soft and we need to become much more physical to compete for Sweet 16's, Elite 8's and Final Fours.

I don't know that I'd call it weak. It was definitely not strong, but it was a solid conference.

 

[rochclone]

Not dodging anything. Would you be happier if they earned a 14 and won a game.

He’s lost to a 1 in the sweet 16 and a 4. And now an 11.

Did Fred ever beat a good seed? The answer is no. North Carolina a 6 was the best. He lost to a 7 and a 14.

I don’t disagree with either position. But the teams CFH beat (UConn, Notre Dame and North Carolina) certainly carried more name recognition than Iona, UALR and Nevada. I understand that the squad is rewarded for hard work during the season and CSP can’t control UALR beating Purdue. But lots of people rejected the accomplishments of Scott Drew because he only beat double-digit seeds in the NCAA Tournament.

 

[Dingus]

It appears to be a dying skill, unfortunately.

I thought Travis Hines wrote a nicely measured analysis of the season.

https://www.amestrib.com/sports/20190323/hines-column-how-will-strange-cyclones-season-be-remembered

Yeah, that’s a pretty good summary of the season. It’s been bugging me when people bring up pre-season expectations to deflect any criticism.

 

[JaCyn]

Who should we get to coach that gets us to a Final Four? Orr,Eustachy,Hoiberg etc couldn't get us there.

Ohhhhh....Michigan state, I still hate them.

 

[Macloney]

I appreciate the heads up. I am always amazed at some poster's inability to be positive and objective at the same time.

You guys should talk about it on your date later when you are holding hands.

 

[TacoCorp]

You guys should talk about it on your date later when you are holding hands.

This poster is among the worst of them.

Did you get kicked in the head by a large farm animal when you were a kid? All I do on here is stick up for the players, the coach and the program. Almost to a fault.

Nice try though, turd.

What, no vicious, childish insults this time around? Just childish snark? I suppose we can call this progress.

 

[ISUChippewa]

This is dumb. The point he was making wasn't that beating seeds so low is shameful. He's arguing that we should expect Prohm to get a win or two against a seed better than 12.

Nobody argued that we should go on a run beating Duke, Gonzaga, UNC, Kentucky, Virginia, Tennessee and the 1968 Bruins to win a title, just that we should expect a coach to be able to accomplish a simple win against a seed better than a 12.

C'mon Erik, you're better than that.

Look, I know you do not like Prohm either, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression you would be quite okay with him going to Alabama. With that being written, I have seen you at least give him credit for big road wins when we're playing well, which tells me that you're willing to give credit when it's due.

The poster I went after gets no such courtesy from me; he did not make a damn peep all season long, because his life is apparently so full of activities and distractions that he doesn't spend much time on here, but the night and day after a disappointing loss he suddenly has so much free time that he can post multiple times going after the coach and telling everyone else how great of a Cyclone fan he is? That's total ********, and you know it. One of the easiest ways to get my blood boiling is to insult my intelligence by pissing on my leg and then telling me it's raining. GTFO of here with that crap.

As for the "argument" part of it, look, I'm not just pulling that stuff out of my a$$; there is at least one poster here, and I'm not going to name names, because I think he has come around somewhat, who has specifically mentioned how disappointed he was in the '16 Sweet Sixteen because we didn't beat a name team to do it, and then tried to use that to unfavorably compare Prohm to Fred because of it. I've seen it before, and I'm seeing it again, and I'm going to call it out.

 

[ISUChippewa]

I don’t disagree with either position. But the teams CFH beat (UConn, Notre Dame and North Carolina) certainly carried more name recognition than Iona, UALR and Nevada. I understand that the squad is rewarded for hard work during the season and CSP can’t control UALR beating Purdue. But lots of people rejected the accomplishments of Scott Drew because he only beat double-digit seeds in the NCAA Tournament.

And I think that's complete ******** too, even when the coach isn't an ISU coach.

Frankly, fans who do that crap do it specifically and solely to drive an agenda, pure and simple.

 

[JaCyn]

So is Prom gone?

Why, did they run out of Aerosmith and led zeppelin songs for themes.

 

[Bubbahotep]

Will the OP please go **** themselves

 

[rochclone]

C'mon Erik, you're better than that.

Look, I know you do not like Prohm either, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression you would be quite okay with him going to Alabama. With that being written, I have seen you at least give him credit for big road wins when we're playing well, which tells me that you're willing to give credit when it's due.

The poster I went after gets no such courtesy from me; he did not make a damn peep all season long, because his life is apparently so full of activities and distractions that he doesn't spend much time on here, but the night and day after a disappointing loss he suddenly has so much free time that he can post multiple times going after the coach and telling everyone else how great of a Cyclone fan he is? That's total ********, and you know it. One of the easiest ways to get my blood boiling is to insult my intelligence by pissing on my leg and then telling me it's raining. GTFO of here with that crap.

As for the "argument" part of it, look, I'm not just pulling that stuff out of my a$$; there is at least one poster here, and I'm not going to name names, because I think he has come around somewhat, who has specifically mentioned how disappointed he was in the '16 Sweet Sixteen because we didn't beat a name team to do it, and then tried to use that to unfavorably compare Prohm to Fred because of it. I've seen it before, and I'm seeing it again, and I'm going to call it out.

Let me ask you a question regarding the 15-16 season. Up until the NCAA Tournament did you think that team underachieved or overachieved with a 10-8 record in the Big 12 and first round exit to Oklahoma?

If people want to say the only measuring stick is the tournament that is fine but then we need to be consistent on that point. I view the NCAA tournament as just another data point in the year. Which is why I view the 2000-01 and 2014-15 season differently than others. It is also why I think this year was an overall success given the 3 data points and championship in KC.

 

[Cat Stevens]

I appreciate the heads up. I am always amazed at some poster's inability to be positive and objective at the same time.

The irony of this is that not one single fan who supports Prohm, because he’s the coach of the team root for, doesn’t see there’s room for improvement in his sideline abilities.

That’s not the conversation that has been had continually by the crew. 67 actually hoped on here for all of the players to transfer to get good coaching. People agreed with that.

It’s way beyond just x’s and o’s with some of them. The vitriol directed towards this guy is unlike anything I’ve ever seen towards a coach here.

 

[Macloney]

This poster is among the worst of them.



What, no vicious, childish insults this time around? Just childish snark? I suppose we can call this progress.

From an idiot like you, I'll take that as a complement.

 

[Cat Stevens]

Let me ask you a question regarding the 15-16 season. Up until the NCAA Tournament did you think that team underachieved or overachieved with a 10-8 record in the Big 12 and first round exit to Oklahoma?

If people want to say the only measuring stick is the tournament that is fine but then we need to be consistent on that point. I view the NCAA tournament as just another data point in the year. Which is why I view the 2000-01 and 2014-15 season differently than others. It is also why I think this year was an overall success given the 3 data points and championship in KC.

This argument, without contextual honesty is still ********.

If Naz would have played the entire year after Burton became eligible, if Fred would have just taken the ******* Bulls job without holding up the program, and given Prohm an opportunity to bring in another post that could have maybe contributed, then you might have been correct. The reality was that team was not this amazing juggernaut the crew thought it was. It was deeply flawed, and it was a good year in the league.

That team this year, even with Jameel chafing under the idea of being coached, would have probably been right there competing for the championship, even with Naz missing the conference season.

 

[tzjung]

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The irony of this is that not one single fan who supports Prohm, because he’s the coach of the team root for, doesn’t see there’s room for improvement in his sideline abilities.

That’s not the conversation that has been had continually by the crew. 67 actually hoped on here for all of the players to transfer to get good coaching. People agreed with that.

It’s way beyond just x’s and o’s with some of them. The vitriol directed towards this guy is unlike anything I’ve ever seen towards a coach here.

This is complete ******** Cat. In another thread I stated that I supported Prohm but I pointed out the coaching deficies at the end of the KSt game . You came after me like I had kicked your dog.......and only because I said I could understand why people were frustrated.

 

[NWICY]

I don’t disagree with either position. But the teams CFH beat (UConn, Notre Dame and North Carolina) certainly carried more name recognition than Iona, UALR and Nevada. I understand that the squad is rewarded for hard work during the season and CSP can’t control UALR beating Purdue. But lots of people rejected the accomplishments of Scott Drew because he only beat double-digit seeds in the NCAA Tournament.

A lot of stupid people. IMO.

 

[Cat Stevens]

The lore on here is this site was started after it evolved from “firewaynemorgan.com”

The guy who started this site was attacked in one of the prohm to Alabama threads for supporting the coach. That’s where some are here.

 

[akclone]

I think after taking the club from last place one season to b12 tourney champs the next is an accomplishment that doesn’t get talked about enough. I know they benefited from Wv upsetting TT and Wade was out for Kst but it’s still 3 wins in 3 days against NCAA tournament teams and by the way beat Baylor who he probably has a losing record against since coaching here. I think he has earned the right to be given the chance to evolve as a coach and improve next year with the core we have. He has the ability to get talent here which is probably 75% of the job so let’s not make it harder to get talent here in the next 3 years by being a school who rewards improvement by firing a coach after winning conference tournament championships (2 in 3 years BTW) and a tournament bid after a last place finish the year before. That’s insane unless you want to fight at the bottom of the conference standings the next 3 years.

 

[Cat Stevens]

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This is complete ******** Cat. In another thread I stated that I supported Prohm but I pointed out the coaching deficies at the end of the KSt game . You came after me like I had kicked your dog.......and only because I said I could understand why people were frustrated.

You want to provide some context, or just stay with being the aggrieved party?