This is why Prohm must go........

DeereClone

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Prohm needs an offensive mentor on the staff. A former head coach that is a good offensive mind that can bring some fresh ideas in. Or any ideas at all.

I like Prohm and think the results under him so far have been acceptable. 3 tourney appearances, 2 conference titles, and a sweet 16 over 4 years is a nice place for our program to be. I don’t think Prohm is a good scheme coach or good game day coach so he needs to correct his weakness as a coach by hiring someone to help in that area.
 

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Prohm needs an offensive mentor on the staff. A former head coach that is a good offensive mind that can bring some fresh ideas in. Or any ideas at all.

I like Prohm and think the results under him so far have been acceptable. 3 tourney appearances, 2 conference titles, and a sweet 16 over 4 years is a nice place for our program to be. I don’t think Prohm is a good scheme coach or good game day coach so he needs to correct his weakness as a coach by hiring someone to help in that area.
not an offensive guru, but Billy Kennedy
 

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Some people are getting angry about people "hating" on Steve Prohm and yet their defense for what he has accomplished at ISU is laughable.......he hasn't done a terrible job by any means......what he has done is mediocre.....if you are okay with mediocre then great but I'm not.......

If you don't want mediocre then we really need to take the Bar and Statue out of Hilton. Hell Larry Eustachy was just over .500 in conference, only had 2 winning conference records, and only won over 17 games twice.
 

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I don’t buy the “false sense of security of a conference tournament championship” argument especially when you are basing it off the number of NCAA tourney wins Iowa State has in the years they’ve done it.

Show some evidence that your argument applies to teams across the nation and you might have an argument. Iowa State’s NCAA tournamanet wins/losses have been based around good/bad matchups and not being an elite team in any of those years except for Hoiberg’s last season and that ended in tragedy for other reasons.

The Kane team won the Big 12 tournament, went to the Sweet 16, and was a healthy Niang away from a likely Final 4.

OK, here you go. https://herosports.com/college-bask...ons-conference-tournament-north-carolina-ahah

Since 1985, of the 30 national champions whose conferences had a conference tournament, only 15 of them won their conference tournament.

If you feel that Iowa State played as aggressively against Ohio State as they did against Kansas in the Big 12 tourney then you are right, they were simply a victim of a bad match up. But I doubt many ISU fans would say they played as aggressive in this game. Why? I don't know. My gut feel that in part it could be a false sense of security after winning the Big 12 title is just speculation. I do not interview the players so I have no idea what's going on. Maybe they had some bad eggs at the team breakfast, I don't know. What I do know is that ISU seems particularly prone to having flat, non-aggressive "let down games" after huge wins. One or two times would be a simple law of averages thing. But this many times tells me that some of their rotation players are prone to letting their aggressiveness dial back too much for one reason or another. And I personally don't hold coaches responsible for that; in the end it is the players job to perform in their role at the expected level.
 
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What about the 6 second out of bounds play? Or Shayoks foot still be in-bounds? Or Lard taking elbows to the face? Those review-able?
No, no and yes if they chose to. I am sure we can review the tape and find mistakes made that went for ISU that OSU fans had a problem with. I saw a bunch of no calls on ISU players shoving that big Wesson kid around trying to fend him off. It's a contact game, having all fouls called would create a game that no one wants to watch.
 
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No, no, no! You either hate Prohm with the heat of a thousand suns or you love him unconditionally no matter what he does. There is no middle ground on CF.

The good news is the middle ground is solidly occupied by our Athletic Director of the Year. Don't think he is much influenced by the anonymous rants of a collective bunch of idiots on CF. :rolleyes:
 

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This is the best defensive team we’ve had in years. I mean, Babb was a great defender, but under Fred defense was not a strong point, but we had George’s Niang to stretch the defense and knock down threes.

The thing is, we make a few shots we win the game.

I’ve felt that Lindell needed to on the floor and play two guard all year, but that’s not his position, and I am sure Prohm put out his best team.

We needed a shooter, and just did not have one.

I get the Prohm hate, because Coaches have responsibility, but this was a piecemeal team of transfers and freshman that had a ton of adversity. I can’t see it as a coaching failure. It’s not like it was a Senior laden team that had years together.

There were two senior starters. But only one of them had played significant minutes here and the other was a transfer. It wasn't exactly a young team, but it wasn't a team that was used to playing together.

To be fair that's not saying a lot, considering how bad the defense has been this last decade, especially during the Hoiberg era.
 
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Ok, but doesn’t change my point.
That's fine - I don't think we challenged them around the basket enough. Make them play defense on you - make them foul you. Both teams had the same number of blocks - 2. That tells me we didn't go at them.
Don't just jack up 3's, and then say "we had good looks, they just didn't fall."
 
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That's fine - I don't think we challenged them around the basket enough. Make them play defense on you - make them foul you. Both teams had the same number of blocks - 2. That tells me we didn't go at them.
Don't just jack up 3's, and then say "we had good looks, they just didn't fall."

Babb, if memory serves, had one nice slashing drives, otherwise we just drove into the heart of their defense. To their credit they are a good defensive team. Did Lindell deserve some calls? Probably, but in BB it seems like the refs reward larger players like Wessen, and don’t believe you need to foul to stop smaller players. Just my opinion.

Like all year, sometimes this team made great decisions, and some times they just did not.
 

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Bill Self lost in the first round both his 2nd and 3rd years at Kansas. He was pig headed and refused to change his style to fit the advanced talent he had on his team. Thank goodness the enraged fans at the time didn't get a vote because he absolutely would have been fired if they were in charge. Now he is used to managing these big egos and they are steered off course by a recruit not aligned with the vision of the team far less now.

Steve Prohm will get better at it, too. He will keep recruiting at a higher level and he will figure out how to coach a team with higher level recruits and the associated mental baggage that comes with. Top 40 recruits have the stereotype of being more egotistical players concerned with their own status for a good reason. It's great to have them but managing them is a skill that has to be learned through reps just like learning how to coach an offensive set.

Don't chase him out of town yet. Four years or so from now you'll be rewarded for your patience.
 

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I've made this argument before and I'll continue to make it. If you're criticizing Prohm for underperforming based on the talent on the team, you have to at least recognize that Prohm put that talent together to begin with.

I also don't really understand how people are forming their expectations for what this program should be. I personally think that the program should expect to make the tournament, be a 4-8 seed most years, with every once in a while having a better year where we can be a 2 or a 3 seed, and occasionally being near the bubble. If you go by that, we hit the target on the money, with a team that had relatively little winning experience. I'd call this a successful season, especially relative to preseason expectations.

For those of you who want Prohm gone, what do you think program expectations should be? Who would be better at meeting those expectations than Prohm is?
 

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I've made this argument before and I'll continue to make it. If you're criticizing Prohm for underperforming based on the talent on the team, you have to at least recognize that Prohm put that talent together to begin with.

I also don't really understand how people are forming their expectations for what this program should be. I personally think that the program should expect to make the tournament, be a 4-8 seed most years, with every once in a while having a better year where we can be a 2 or a 3 seed, and occasionally being near the bubble. If you go by that, we hit the target on the money, with a team that had relatively little winning experience. I'd call this a successful season, especially relative to preseason expectations.

For those of you who want Prohm gone, what do you think program expectations should be? Who would be better at meeting those expectations than Prohm is?

Natty championships baby. Just like Fred did