**** THESE REFS

[ArgentCy]

THe biggest problem is that they come into games prejudging all of the players and teams. That makes them biased by definition and that pisses me off. Ross was right on it when he started the radio show tonight be mentioning that officials expect WVU to play that way and then let most of it go and when ISU tries to adjust to even half that they start calling everything (because its not normal for ISU). The same **** happens when they decide to call us for travel every other time down the court for 2-3 games.

 

[CycloneWanderer]

This thread is ridiculous. These referees are human and make mistakes but for the most part they are all great at what they do. Officiating basketball is very tough, but these guys are the best in the country and for the most part usually get it right. These guys have so much experience under their belts, final 4's, etc. They review every game, every call. They are graded, judged during the season and have to go to many clinics and rules meetings during the summer. You should very ever rarely blame an officiating crew for losing a basketball game - especially now with some elements of replay involved.

The moral of the story is, if you get swept by a team in college basketball - the other team is better. End of story.

This is ******** and you know it. If they were the best officials in the country, they'd be on a contract as a professional official working for the NBA. Consider the following quote:

In a later interview, Allocco said he received an email from his supervisor Tom Lopes that evening. Lopes asked whether the foul was necessary. Yes, the defender had committed a foul by bumping an offensive player with a straight-line path to the basket, as per Rule 10, Section 10 of the NCAA rulebook. Lopes's argument was that the contact did not have an effect on the outcome of the play. Boyd's dunk would have been the same whether or not there was contact. Therefore, Lopes believed, there should not have been a foul called. "It probably didn't need a whistle. I should have left the game tied," said Allocco. Calling the foul gave LIU a free throw for the lead and changed the complexion of the remaining minute of play. "That subtle impact changed the game."

http://deadspin.com/the-art-of-screwing-up-how-ncaa-refs-live-with-their-m-471284937

You can't tell me that this same argument can't be used for over half the fouls they call on our players that literally do not impact the play at all. We give up an astonishing number of "and-1's" that shouldn't be fouls by for the reasons that this NCAA official describes. Hell, many times there isn't even any contact to begin with and we get a foul called on us.

By the written rules of the game, there are so many areas for subjective interpretation that you could argue that just about any contact is or is not a foul and be relatively correct. These officials work different conferences with different people giving them different feedback on what should/should not be called. It's understandable that humans would make mistake in such a situation, but for you to pretend that this fact somehow makes everything okay is pathetic.

You say that they review "every call" but perhaps that's the problem. They should do more than review every call, they should review entire games for calls made and calls not made that should be. It shouldn't take a media outrage for a bad non-call to be reviewed.

 

[randomfan44]

THe biggest problem is that they come into games prejudging all of the players and teams. That makes them biased by definition and that pisses me off. Ross was right on it when he started the radio show tonight be mentioning that officials expect WVU to play that way and then let most of it go and when ISU tries to adjust to even half that they start calling everything (because its not normal for ISU). The same **** happens when they decide to call us for travel every other time down the court for 2-3 games.

If they let most of it go then how are they #1 by a wide margin in the Big 12 and #4 in all of D1 in personal fouls?

 

[wonkadog]

I did. And as a referee myself I saw maybe 3 times where I could've disagreed with a call. I don't think if you flip those 3 instances Iowa State wins. I wouldn't even say I am a great official so I will never talked badly about a guy who is referring Div. 1 basketball and has 20 years of experience doing so getting paid $2,000 a game. They are where they are for a reason - they are good at their job.

They gave up nearly 100 pts in 40 min. The college game is a quick game, it was not the officiating that lost Iowa State the 2 games against WVU. It was themselves vs. the play of the other team.

Ok Mr. Hawkeye, I have no doubt that a casual person with no rooting interest watching out of the corner of their eye while drinking their Natty Ice would have only picked out a few calls that they thought were questionable. If you were actually watching closely and replaying the "wtf" calls you would not be defending the idiots that were wearing stripes the other night. At one point Burton was getting bodied out of the lane playing defense and HE got called for a foul as he fell to the ground. Absolute joke but hey, keeping the fouls even is all that matters right? Pick out a touch foul on Ashton at the other end because hey, no one will complain about him being in foul trouble.

 

[Cycsk]

Haven't read all of this thread, but I've seen lots about fouls. What about the traveling? I couldn't believe how often WV players were doing little two-steps after they caught passes, but none were called.

 

[ThatllDoCy]

The refs are afraid of big name coaches and give them what they want. There is a reason Huggy Bear and Self work the refs constantly. It works.

 

[NoCreativity]

In our 2 meetings with West Virginia they 51 free throw attempts to our 39. Iowa State literally plays no defense while West Virginia's whole philosophy is foul no matter what. How is that even possible with the contrasting styles?

I think we win Monday night with consistent officiating. You could see how frustrated the players were getting mugged every time down the court. Meanwhile 3 of Mckay's fouls were complete nonsense.

 

[Trojbrown]

I blame Prohm. He never got upset or tried to make a point with the refs...he just let it happen against us time and time again. If there was ever a time for a technical foul...just to get your point across to the refs, the game against WVU was it and he failed. You know Fred would have been in the refs faces after 40 missed fouls, 10 over the backs and 10 phantom/ghost fouls against us when we didn't touch anybody. Blame Prohm...I know I did.

 

[mctallerton]

I blame Prohm. He never got upset or tried to make a point with the refs...he just let it happen against us time and time again. If there was ever a time for a technical foul...just to get your point across to the refs, the game against WVU was it and he failed. You know Fred would have been in the refs faces after 40 missed fouls, 10 over the backs and 10 phantom/ghost fouls against us when we didn't touch anybody. Blame Prohm...I know I did.

What? I remember one Fred technical in five years and it was when he walked out onto the floor during a media timeout and the official thought he was coming onto the floor to argue.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

I don't dislike Iowa State in the slightest. I lived in Ames for 4 years and love the town and have many friends that still live and work there. Many friends who work for the University. Not to mention my wife and father are both ISU grads. Sometimes you diehard fans need to just get a clue. Its not everyone is out to get your team, its that your team just isn't as good as you think they are. You are 19-9, probably a 4/5 seed. It could be a lot better, but it could be a lot worse.

You didn't answer his question.

 

[jmarter]

What? I remember one Fred technical in five years and it was when he walked out onto the floor during a media timeout and the official thought he was coming onto the floor to argue.

I live out in Chicago and just heard on the radio yesterday that Fred is the ONLY current NBA coach without a technical this season.

 

[Gunnerclone]

What? I remember one Fred technical in five years and it was when he walked out onto the floor during a media timeout and the official thought he was coming onto the floor to argue.

Another example to put in to the "ISU v. Refs classics" reel.

 

[randomfan44]

I blame Prohm. He never got upset or tried to make a point with the refs...he just let it happen against us time and time again. If there was ever a time for a technical foul...just to get your point across to the refs, the game against WVU was it and he failed. You know Fred would have been in the refs faces after 40 missed fouls, 10 over the backs and 10 phantom/ghost fouls against us when we didn't touch anybody. Blame Prohm...I know I did.

I don't remember ever seeing Fred Hoiberg get in any refs face. Or his teams for that matter. He just doesn't strike me as the yelling guy; maybe a bad ticker will do that to a guy, who knows.

 

[Trojbrown]

I don't remember ever seeing Fred Hoiberg get in any refs face. Or his teams for that matter. He just doesn't strike me as the yelling guy; maybe a bad ticker will do that to a guy, who knows.

Fred would call a timeout just to be able to talk to the refs. He'd let the players huddle and he usually was not in there because he was talking (not yelling) at the officials. You could tell he was amped up and getting his point across. I've yet to see Prohm do this and wish he'd do more of it. Huggins and Self are pros at this. Need to take a page from their playbook.

 

[CycloneVet]

I don't remember ever seeing Fred Hoiberg get in any refs face. Or his teams for that matter. He just doesn't strike me as the yelling guy; maybe a bad ticker will do that to a guy, who knows.

You must have missed when he chased that bald headed ref off of the floor during the "Blarge" KU ISU game then, same ref that gave you a phantom 3 down at the Phog. Of course you wouldn't remember seeing any of that.

 

[randomfan44]

You must have missed when he chased that bald headed ref off of the floor during the "Blarge" KU ISU game then, same ref that gave you a phantom 3 down at the Phog. Of course you wouldn't remember seeing any of that.

I have resorted to parking on the same area of my parking garage every morning so I don't have to wander around after work looking for my car. I certainly am not going to remember if there was a momentary glimpse of Hoiberg yelling at a ref from a game that was what, three years ago? Besides, if you have to go back three seasons ago to find a play where Hoiberg lost his cool then you made my point for me. I don't have to go back three weeks to find a game where Self has chewed out a ref.

 

[randomfan44]

Fred would call a timeout just to be able to talk to the refs. He'd let the players huddle and he usually was not in there because he was talking (not yelling) at the officials. You could tell he was amped up and getting his point across. I've yet to see Prohm do this and wish he'd do more of it. Huggins and Self are pros at this. Need to take a page from their playbook.

EVERY coach in America, Prohm included, is talking to the refs constantly throughout the game. Prohm wouldn't have the job he has if he didn't.

 

[acody]

I blame Prohm. He never got upset or tried to make a point with the refs...he just let it happen against us time and time again. If there was ever a time for a technical foul...just to get your point across to the refs, the game against WVU was it and he failed. You know Fred would have been in the refs faces after 40 missed fouls, 10 over the backs and 10 phantom/ghost fouls against us when we didn't touch anybody. Blame Prohm...I know I did.

It's not his personality. Doubt he will ever intimidate the refs.

 

[NoCreativity]

It's not his personality. Doubt he will ever intimidate the refs.

Then we are going to continue to get mugged and physically abused by teams like West Virginia who play football on a basketball court. He needed to stand up for his guys the other night, you could clearly see they were frustrated and he did nothing. If there was ever a better time to get T'd up the other night, that was his chance.

 

[Miniclone11]

Just need to bring this up again. This is despicable.