He tapped a guy in the junk with the back of his hand. Call it what you want. I had no problem with it being a technical foul
**** THESE REFS
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He tapped a guy in the junk with the back of his hand. Call it what you want. I had no problem with it being a technical foul
I've watched a lot of WVU games this season...you can pinpoint the moment that they know they can do whatever they want because Holton starts clapping right in the opponents faces and the two weird looking guards (the one that looks older than Perry Ellis and the one with the Kid n Play haircut) immediately get in the opponents faces and start jawing.
To some people refs hold some lofty position that deserves no criticism.
Yes there were a lot of things we could have done better in this game, mostly on the defensive end of the court. This does not mean the refs get a free pass. Our defensive softness comes from a lack of depth, and when the refs whistle us early and often for things west Virginia players are getting away with 80 % of the time and get our players in foul trouble it forces us to play even softer.
These refs are getting paid for what they do. Jog up and down the court, call a foul a foul, watch the clock for mistakes, and put up with fans booing them.
I don't blame West Virginia for blatantly pushing the limit of how physical they can play the game. I don't blame them for daring the officials to call fouls on them. I blame the officials for allowing them to push it this far. Nut up and call a foul a foul, even if it means you have to stay past your bedtime. If you're going to let the game become a slugfest, fine. Just be consistent that's all I ask.
Yes there were a lot of things we could have done better in this game, mostly on the defensive end of the court. This does not mean the refs get a free pass. Our defensive softness comes from a lack of depth, and when the refs whistle us early and often for things west Virginia players are getting away with 80 % of the time and get our players in foul trouble it forces us to play even softer.
These refs are getting paid for what they do. Jog up and down the court, call a foul a foul, watch the clock for mistakes, and put up with fans booing them.
I don't blame West Virginia for blatantly pushing the limit of how physical they can play the game. I don't blame them for daring the officials to call fouls on them. I blame the officials for allowing them to push it this far. Nut up and call a foul a foul, even if it means you have to stay past your bedtime. If you're going to let the game become a slugfest, fine. Just be consistent that's all I ask.
So ISU gets ****ed if the Refs don't call a bunch of fouls?
As I keep pointing out, WVU on average has 5 less fouls called on them. Last night ISU has in essence 3 more fouls than WVU, I just don't know why some are going ape **** over this, it was within the averages or very close. This means, this is NORMAL.
Why do you invent a world where it's all mutually exclusive. That's a completely random thing to do.
fact - ISU played bad defense
fact - the refs were absolutely horrible and probably missed at least a dozen obvious fouls on WVU if they call a consistent game based on what ISU was getting called for
It drives me nuts that about half the fans here can never admit officiating can be bad if ISU has any flaw in its game that could have still won. Of course the team could have played better on defense...get this mind blowing idea though...maybe the way the game was being officiated affected our defense????!!!??? Gasp! I know right. I mean maybe the fact that you're on the road, short bench, and you can tell the other team is getting away with 2-3 obvious fouls a possession and you're getting called for touch fouls results in some weak defense. Crazy, I know.
I disagree, I find officiating frustrating. I just think it is typically equally as bad for both sides (minus your normal home court calls you get). In other words I fully expect ISU to get the benefit of a few calls at home, and get "screwed" by a few calls on the road.
Technically if we're cancelling out the technical for ISU we should do the same for WVU.
Yes, that's atrocious when the team with 14 tried to foul every possession and the team with 17 avoids fouls because we only have two serviceable forwards on the team. It's not like ISU and WVU play some similar style where it evens out.
This isn't exclusive to ISU at all, in their first game against Texas that I watched I think WVU should have had at least 15-25 more fouls than they did, yet Texas had more fouls than WVU. The officials doing our game suck and do not have the chops to go up against Huggins and this strategy while doing their job passably. It's not like I'm some Texas fan, I'm simply a rational person who is not blind or looking to make up some false coping mechanism.
Officiating can be bad, as I just posted. Officails miss tons of calls. Officials usually give the home team more calls.
I just find it odd that what happens all the time seems to infuriate some. It would be like getting mad that water is wet, or that the sun comes up in the East. Just stupid really. WVU got more calls at home, shocker! I don't see the point on blaming the officials when you know going in this is going to be the case.
The most aggressive team almost always wins in college basketball. ISU is aggressive only on offense. The teams above them in the standings are aggressive at both ends of the floor.
I think we've had 2 or 3 games this year where officiating was bad enough to affect the outcome. To me it's insane to not point out 2 or 3 times a year that officiating incompetence like last night could have affected the outcome of the game. If WVU and ISU get the same calls for the same type of plays ISU most likely wins on the road last night. Other than the art of fouling and not getting called ISU was the much better team. A lot of the "hustle" stats like turnovers and rebounding were only edge WVU because they were fouling like crazy with no whistle in order to do that. ISU was on another planet in terms of the offense we were running on them.
WVU gets calls every game, at least in conference play. It's their style of play and the officials cannot do their job in a passable way, at some point it needs to be looked at by the conference if it hasn't already.
Like every time we play WVU I hope the team moves on and realizes those games are some kind of bizarro rules games where the other team is allowed to hack all night for some reason and it's in the past now.
Officials are bad, make bad calls, miss calls all the time. The officials had nothing to do with ISU losing last night. The home team got the calls they usually do, ISU didn't play Defense or rebound, and got beat.
Playing tough defense helps teams win? Who would have guessed that... I'm sure you are thinking I usually blame the refs for losses when that is far from the truth. We have lost plenty of games due to our soft defense and crappy rebounding.
This has no relevance to how the refs performed. They have taken the rules of the game and a bending them to fit the teams that are playing. We could adapt to bend the rules like other teams do, but that still doesn't change the fact they should be calling a foul a foul.
You really thought in a well officiated game WVU fouled 3 times less than ISU? (that's what it was before any intentional foul)
3-20 blown foul calls on one team can change the game in literally unthinkable levels and last night was a close game throughout. These WVU games aren't like 2-3 bad calls, they're poorly called games the entire game...and it's not just ISU and it's not only in games WVU wins. Even when they lose, WVU should typically lose by much more. A few years back I thought, and still think, one of our wins over WVU may have been the worst officiating I've seen in an ISU game for all the dozens of bad non-calls on WVU, ISU was just blowout level better in that game.
It's hard to play tough defense when you have half the fouls the other team has, foul 3x less, but get whistled for more fouls. I'm not sure what we were supposed to do, if we play aggressive with the rigged calls Stu is playing the whole second half and Huggy would gladly have fouled out some of his guys.
There has been a thread started about the refs after almost every ISU loss this year.
The only thing that is bent is the skewed prism that fans watch the game and judge the refs through.
