**** THESE REFS
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How can you control your defense when they call a foul every time a WV stepped foot in the lane? How can you control your defense when they shove or jump over your back to get a rebound? Sometimes more than others referees do impact defense.
At the risk of being a ref blamer, I'm simply confused with the way games are called. I could have sworn that I've heard announcers repeatedly say after replays on TV that the defender gets whistled for a foul when he puts both hands, or maybe one, I don't know, on a driver. Freedom of movt. thing or whatever. See it called at Hilton and often we boo, but told that's the rules. Well last night, Burton made a great move from above the free throw line. He dribbled, then did a crossover, and two guys made contact with him. The first guard defender literally put both hands on him as he tried to drive by and the next guy bumped him as well. No call. I guess I just don't understand the rules.
The calls also directly affect the defense. Inconsistent calls give the players no basis for what they can do. We can't come close to them, and not get called. Defense suffers, because of proximity, and what you can/can't do with hands.
We got calls backing away from a player driving. Bad defense, yes, but a direct result of inconsistent officiating.
I think coaches like Huggins teach that behavior, get as much contact as possible, and push the officials into calling less fouls. Frank Martin used this strategy also, at KSU and currently at SC. Both were known for defense, as is Huggins. Kansas uses this to a lesser degree, relying more on athleticism to get a little space, but they body up too.
Oklahoma does not do this.
And another thing...yes, I get fatigue can contribute to foul trouble but there's other times where opponents guards are just putting their head down and getting fouls called. Yet Monte hardly can ever get a call. Is he not as quick to the hole as I think? Does his too small of a frame somehow not show the contact? What is it? Seems to me like Monte should be getting to the foul line 6-8 more times a game with his ability and the supposedly new rules.
You people complaining about the officiating need to watch other college BB on TV. I don't see any of you coming on here OUTRAGED that KU has 32 fouls to WVU 20 fouls in that game. I don't see any other threads started about other games where fans just call the refs out as blatant CHEATERS and fixing the game.
Officiating isn't perfect, far from it, but to just go on an on and on and on with the ref butt hurt like this is just stupid. There isn't a conspiracy against us, they aren't out to get us, the refs are calling the game as they see it.
Officiating isn't perfect, far from it, but to just go on an on and on and on with the ref butt hurt like this is just stupid. There isn't a conspiracy against us, they aren't out to get us, the refs are calling the game as they see it.
Point out where I ever denied that biggest problem in our losses has been a lack of defense and that the losses are 100% on the officiating. You won't find it. But to completely ignore the fact that WV gets called for less fouls, especially last night where the difference was 21-14, when their entire strategy is to pressure and foul as much as possible is just plain ignorant. Then again ignorance is common with the KU fan base.
Besides the post was in response to the statement that the home team "always" gets the calls and then how he went on to provide his "research" to prove his point. Which just simply is not true.
I don't think there is a conspiracy, but I don't think officials take style of play into account. WVU plays against the odds, in that they dare calls. They ride the whole game, hand check the whole game. We don't, but we get the calls against us, they don't.
But please tell me how this is fair. A foul is a foul. If it is against us, then it needs to be called against them. I would have howled against the 32-20 game, also. probably wasn't watching.
Come on man. WVU was fouling like crazy (on purpose), had their season low in fouls, and less fouls than a short bench team trying not to foul.
The officials did an absolutely horrible job. Some of you are brain dead that you can't realize ISU doesn't have to play a perfect game in order to accurately state that the refs did a horrible job.
LOL, ISU didn't have to play "perfect" to beat WVU, they needed to play some Defense and rebound. It is the same old, same old for ISU, they score plenty of points, they just refuse to or aren't capable of playing Defense.
I know its easier to pick things apart when you're used to seeing your own team play, but we must lead the conference in basically trying to avoid contact underneath due to foul trouble and still getting whistled for barely touching a guy while he makes the basket anyway. Can't believe how many times we've commented, "where's the foul" after we see the replay and the basket go in. I think we do have to be a little realistic here that we're undersized and sometimes out-athleticized against the Devin Williams and the Motley types.
I missed some of the game last night. Did Georges Niang really get a technical for grabbing a West Virginia players junk?
The refs didn't call many fouls at all, did you watch the game? ISU had to foul WVU 3 times with 1:00 or less to go. So if you take away the intentional fouls, and take away Niang stupid technical foul, then the foul calls are 17-14.
That makes sense on why you didn't think ISU attacked last night.
He tapped him when he was walking by
That's the whole point, they didn't call many fouls. WVU dares the calls, we back away. And still get more calls.
