TOTALLY AGREE!! They assume SEC will instantly renegotiate and the big twelve never will.
STUPID. I hate the AP take on the Big12.
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TOTALLY AGREE!! They assume SEC will instantly renegotiate and the big twelve never will.
STUPID. I hate the AP take on the Big12.
Leather helmet blog continues to say they can't get the 9 votes to make it into the SEC. Slive is trying to convince the presidents that their TV sets make them worth it, but they need 1-2 more votes.
That's not the AP giving those numbers. Those numbers are coming directly from the 45 page Mizzou report
The report suggests Missouri could earn $17.16 million in Big 12 TV money in fiscal year 2012, compared to $19.25 million from an SEC deal.
It also envisions a far bigger "per member share potential" should a larger SEC — with millions of more eyeballs in Texas and the Midwest — renegotiate its top-tier TV rights -- up to $12 million more per year.
Thats even dumber yet. Still hate the AP take on big12 though (or maybe just talk radio and espn)
Yes sir. If that report is accurate then Mizzou isn't even taking into account all the fact. It's a biased report by whoever put it together.
And the media does indeed root every day for the collapse of the Big East and Big 12.
What I don't get about the TV sets argument for the SEC....they're already on ESPN/CBS in every freaking state. How does adding any team change the exposure they already have? How does an SEC Network really change their exposure (other than the tier 3 content).
The B1G didn't have ABC/CBS/NBC locked down like the SEC has with SEC/ESPN...so the B1G Network was a game changer for them, but no one wants to watch Arkansas play Alabama in women's volleyball...
The B1G didn't have ABC/CBS/NBC locked down like the SEC has with SEC/ESPN...so the B1G Network was a game changer for them, but no one wants to watch Arkansas play Alabama in women's volleyball...
Big 12 has already made the announcement official... TCU will join for the 2012-13 season and beyond..
Good point.
I guess I assume it's a combination of two things.
1. Tier 3 SEC network like you said...
2. CBS/ESPN is going to project that they'll get more advertising revenue for SEC games even though they'll already be potentially on the same # of TV sets. I guess they're thinking that more homes in KC/STL are going to turn to the SEC game to watch even though it was already available to them before.
When people think about realignment money issues, many people think of the BTN. They think the only way they generate revenue is cable subscriptions. However, advertising makes up about 1/2 their revenue. Generating revenue isn't just about getting subscriptions (BTN), but its about getting people to watch the ads on your particular football game even if the game was already potentially available on their own home TV set, or in many cases, in the restaurant/bar's TV set.
Sure SEC may get a reworked deal but so will the B12 when theirs tier 1 comes up. That seems to get washed over. Based on the P 12 deal and the new Fox tier 2 deal that could be 10-12 million per team for just tier 1.
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Jeeeeeeeez, this would all work out so much more nicely if the SEC just added WVU instead of Mizzou.
Louisville and BYU to Big 12, UConn and Rutgers to ACC. That leaves only Cincy and South Florida. If the Big 12 doesn't pull the trigger on that...they go play in CUSA with some close rivals and a BCS bid if they can win the MWC/CUSA championship game.
The whole thing could actually be organized more fairly and better than before.
The problem with the auto bids was the 12 team ACC was often too weak to deserve one. At 16 it surely does. The bigger problem was the 8 team Big East didn't deserve one.
Nobody should have an issue with a CUSA/MWC championship game bid. Everything would fit so much more nicely than it did before if Mizzouri would quit whoring and the SEC would just admit WVU is a better fit with them then they are with anybody else.
If this thing ended up with 10-25 MORE teams having BCS access and common sense things like TCU and Louisville playing in the Big 12 instead of Big East, WVU playing with the southerners instead of in Connecticut or Iowa...it would give me hope the game isn't headed in the wrong direction.
Louisville and BYU to Big 12, UConn and Rutgers to ACC. That leaves only Cincy and South Florida. If the Big 12 doesn't pull the trigger on that...they go play in CUSA with some close rivals and a BCS bid if they can win the MWC/CUSA championship game.
The whole thing could actually be organized more fairly and better than before.
The problem with the auto bids was the 12 team ACC was often too weak to deserve one. At 16 it surely does. The bigger problem was the 8 team Big East didn't deserve one.
Nobody should have an issue with a CUSA/MWC championship game bid. Everything would fit so much more nicely than it did before if Mizzouri would quit whoring and the SEC would just admit WVU is a better fit with them then they are with anybody else.
If this thing ended up with 10-25 MORE teams having BCS access and common sense things like TCU and Louisville playing in the Big 12 instead of Big East, WVU playing with the southerners instead of in Connecticut or Iowa...it would give me hope the game isn't headed in the wrong direction.
1. I like the addition of TCU. Gives us two guaranteed road games in Texas every year and now a game in the Dallas-Fort Worth area every other year. We're not going to beat them out for Texas recruits but we weren't beating A&M so no big deal.
2. I would laugh my a** off if Mizzou goes to the SEC and in like 2013 the Big Ten decides to expand again and Delany says Missouri would have been a prime candidate.
2. I would laugh my a** off if Mizzou goes to the SEC and in like 2013 the Big Ten decides to expand again and Delany says Missouri would have been a prime candidate.
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They are sooooooooooooo dumb for not just waiting quietly in the Big 12 and leveraging for power here like Oklahoma is. They will play basketball teams that have no fans in the SEC. They will go from being middle of the pack in athleticism to near the bottom in football.
I wouldn't blame them for jumping to the Big Ten. With the gains the Big 12 has made they're just idiotic for making this move.
WVU makes a million times more sense for SEC. Also, thinking of wanting everyone to find a home, with the Big East heading down the tubes and becoming MAC 2.0, it's the only good fit for WVU. Missouri could fit in the Big 12 or Big Ten fine, they don't need to be in the SEC like WVU does, it's not a 100% thing the B12 takes WVU if they're available. WVU could go from a storied program to playing service academies, Villanova and Temple.
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I think it's kind of funny how people are treating the whole Missouri situation.
With Texas A&M, and then later with UT, OU, and Co., we were legitimately worried about the future of the conference. We really wanted them to stay and save the Big 12.
With Mizzou, we don't give a ****. There's a good chance we'd come out better without them. It's like that girlfriend who's saying "I'm leaving this time! For real! I mean it!" and you just sit there in your La-Z-Boy knowing that new hot girl down the hall is in to you anyway.
With Texas A&M, and then later with UT, OU, and Co., we were legitimately worried about the future of the conference. We really wanted them to stay and save the Big 12.
With Mizzou, we don't give a ****. There's a good chance we'd come out better without them. It's like that girlfriend who's saying "I'm leaving this time! For real! I mean it!" and you just sit there in your La-Z-Boy knowing that new hot girl down the hall is in to you anyway.
I think West Virginia to B12 is a done deal if Mizzou bolts. We'll see though.
After their recent "need to explore options", I want a t-shirt that reads:
Scrou Mizzou!
That is all.
Scrou Mizzou!
That is all.
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