*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[State43]

But they keep the LHN so none of this matters. OU board isn't stupid so they have to know how bad of an idea this is.

 

[Boomer]

You cant lose Nebraska,A&M & Colorado & be a relevant league

If things hold together now, Missouri will bounce whenever The Big Ten felt like offering

Texas was NEVER going to agree to a iron clad contract with severe penalities & OU wasn't going to agree if Texas wouldn't

BYU demanded to much

OU was not interested in expanding Eastward, into the rustbelt (Pitt),

 

[HoopsTournament]

You haven't really thought this out very well.

This is not his invention. See link.

Pac-12 expansion: The latest on Texas, revenue sharing and 16-team division alignment | College Hotline

 

[hawkfan]

If Texas doesn't agree to revenue sharing in the Big 12, they're going to be driven to the Pac, where they will have to agree to revenue sharing.

Why not just agree to revenue sharing in the Big 12 when they're going to have to do it anyways upon moving to the Pac?

Travel costs will be much lower, and revenue potential will be about the same.

This is the key - if UT agrees to it now, they admit defeat. The UT ego is wayyyy too big to admit defeat, and the OU ego is too big to sit and be UT's ***** for the rest of time.

It's pretty much a Mexican stand off and the only way "out" for all parties involved is splitting for the PAC.

 

[State43]

Originally Posted by isuno1fan

bobfescoe Bob Fescoe



No lock for MU and KU to stay if OU remains in big 12 hearing ACC intrigues KU AND SEC intrigues MU. stay tuned it changes by the minute
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Quick, check where the planes are flying.

That is just posturing as well i think. If OU stays, it would be silly for those teams to go get trashed in those leagues.

 

[boone7247]

I agree with this, however, equal revenue sharing does at least give off the perception of equality. What the current Big 12 agreement does is show blatantly who is in charge.

More important than the equal revenue sharing is perhaps the fact that Texas will now be joining a conference where there is a state LARGER than Texas - quite a bit larger actually.

The significance of that is HUGE. Right now UT feels it is owed something in the Big 12 because if it left the conference would crumble. That wouldn't be the case in the PAC.

In fact, California has more TV households than the state of Texas does, so now all of a sudden UT goes from having a clear demographic edge in the Big 12 to having more demographic equality in the PAC - that is ultimately what I think OU wants....for the state of Texas to have a demographic equal in whatever conference it ends up in - which makes the PAC the only conference that makes any sense.

But that can be argued way by saying that everyone in Texas watches UT football where the same cannot be said for any one of the California schools. There is a clear north south division in the state. Texas is still the big dog even in the PAC while those Cali schools won't get bullied by UT. UT will still have plenty of power, and will always have more than OU.

If for some reason UT and TT don't follow OU to Pac 16. Watch what that will would do to OU in the future. I am certain they would end up like Arizona or ASU. Never at the level they are now.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

You cant lose Nebraska,A&M & Colorado & be a relevant league

If things hold together now, Missouri will bounce whenever The Big Ten felt like offering

Texas was NEVER going to agree to a iron clad contract with severe penalities & OU wasn't going to agree if Texas wouldn't

BYU demanded to much

OU was not interested in expanding Eastward, into the rustbelt (Pitt),

Enjoy your last national title run in 2011!

 

[Yes13]

This is the key - if UT agrees to it now, they admit defeat. The UT ego is wayyyy too big to admit defeat, and the OU ego is too big to sit and be UT's ***** for the rest of time.

It's pretty much a Mexican stand off and the only way "out" for all parties involved is splitting for the PAC.

Texas loses the LHN though.

Kansas won't get an invite to the ACC (they're not inviting a team west of the Mississippi), Mizzou won't go to the SEC if there's a Big 12.

 

[cykadelic2]

This is not his invention. See link.

Pac-12 expansion: The latest on Texas, revenue sharing and 16-team division alignment | College Hotline

CycloneChris needs to read Comment #1 in that link.

That scheduling model will likely be applied in other conferences that end up with 16 teams.

 

[Al_4_State]

This is the key - if UT agrees to it now, they admit defeat. The UT ego is wayyyy too big to admit defeat, and the OU ego is too big to sit and be UT's ***** for the rest of time.

It's pretty much a Mexican stand off and the only way "out" for all parties involved is splitting for the PAC.

How is UT giving equal share in the Big 12 any more of a defeat than going to the Pac under their terms?

 

[Yes13]

You cant lose Nebraska,A&M & Colorado & be a relevant league

If things hold together now, Missouri will bounce whenever The Big Ten felt like offering

Texas was NEVER going to agree to a iron clad contract with severe penalities & OU wasn't going to agree if Texas wouldn't

BYU demanded to much

OU was not interested in expanding Eastward, into the rustbelt (Pitt),

Um, we're still one of the best leagues (athletic wise).

 

[oldwiseman]

Mack Brown wants Big 12 survival - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

Wow, I actually like Mack Brown. This has been my thought on the matter all along!

 

[bluestarcyclone]

You cant lose Nebraska,A&M & Colorado & be a relevant league

You are dead wrong on this with the big east collapsing. Definitely valid targets that would shore up the big 12. Possibly even a net gain without TAMU due to expanding the footprint. And considering how many teams the big 12, even without A&M or expansion teams, still has in the top echelon of CFB, its asinine to say the big 12 would be irrelevant.

 

[G-Rock]

New billboard in Waco courtesy of A&M fans. (SIAP)

 

[Wesley]

Maybe I'm crazy...but I don't see 4 16 team superconferences either. I think we'll have 5 conferences that are BCS-level. I think with the changing landscape in college athletics and the inevitable Congressional interference, existing BCS schools will not be left without a home and more teams will be added to the BCS level to avoid the *** storm that would happen if teams are left out.

If a giant 16 team leftover league is made like Heartland Conference, we need to come up with some good names:

Transcontinental League
Big Heart Lerague
Lousiana Purchase Conference
Destiny League
Little League
Snubs R Us League

 

[hawkfan]

How is UT giving equal share in the Big 12 any more of a defeat than going to the Pac under their terms?

Again, there are perceived equals in the PAC - that isn't defeat - it's a compromise. Giving up money from the LHN to the Iowa States, Kansas States, & Missouris of the world is defeat. Texas has already told those schools they aren't worthy.

OU is leaving the Big 12 either way. The PAC has given them an unconditional invite because Larry Scott knows that if OU/OSU leave the Big 12 - it is done.

At that point, UT has to make a choice - keep some rivals and maintain a home for Tech in the PAC or go independent and try to find a home for the non revenue sports.

Scott is playing a game of poker. He knows that as long as OU/OSU are intent on going to the PAC, UT is probably coming along. He isn't bluffing with his offer to OU/OSU, but he is simply playing his hand to put the pressure on Texas.

 

[HandSanitizer]

You cant lose Nebraska,A&M & Colorado & be a relevant league

If things hold together now, Missouri will bounce whenever The Big Ten felt like offering

Texas was NEVER going to agree to a iron clad contract with severe penalities & OU wasn't going to agree if Texas wouldn't

BYU demanded to much

OU was not interested in expanding Eastward, into the rustbelt (Pitt),

Boomer...So how are we going to be OK in this again??????

 

[Wesley]

Well, we could win the West. It still makes me sick though. That's a huge step down academically for Iowa State. Would that conference be an auto qualifier?

No one has claimed Little 12 yet as a name for the Twest Proposal.

 

[Al_4_State]

Again, there are perceived equals in the PAC - that isn't defeat - it's a compromise. Giving up money from the LHN to the Iowa States, Kansas States, & Missouris of the world is defeat. Texas has already told those schools they aren't worthy.

OU is leaving the Big 12 either way. The PAC has given them an unconditional invite because Larry Scott knows that if OU/OSU leave the Big 12 - it is done.

At that point, UT has to make a choice - keep some rivals and maintain a home for Tech in the PAC or go independent and try to find a home for the non revenue sports.

Scott is playing a game of poker. He knows that as long as OU/OSU are intent on going to the PAC, UT is probably coming along. He isn't bluffing with his offer to OU/OSU, but he is simply playing his hand to put the pressure on Texas.

If OU stays and forces Texas to play under the equal revenue sharing rules, which they can do if they want to, both OU and UT are in the same kind of shape financially speaking that they would be in the Pac, and they would have more power than they have in the Pac.

So, again, there really is no logic here.

Either way OU and UT are going to be subjected to equal revenue sharing. Why not do it on their own terms and rebuild their own league instead of being the new kids in the Pac, where their power and influence is watered down amongst 16 schools instead of 12?

 

[Wesley]

Re: Big XII needs a New Commissioner

Dan Beebe problem is that he is too comfortable with the way things are, and too much into Texas. The Big 12 conference is too big into Texas. This has got to quit being about the halves and the thoughts and wishes of the halves-not need the same amount of attention.

We also need to get away from the idea that if we lose Texas we are screwed. They are the big money winner for the conference, but bringing in BYU, South Florida, etc wouldn't be a bad conference. I think we could even pouch some schools from other conferences if we weren't so unstable.

Fake Dan beebe could do a better job at this point.