The NBA is Boring!

[HFCS]

Shortening the season has more to do with making individual regular season games matter more than player health, I think. The people complaining about stars sitting are overreacting and probably haven’t seen a game in a decade — the league has cracked down on that practice so it doesn’t happen as much as it maybe used to.

I think getting rid of the corner 3 is probably a necessity at this point, if not getting rid of the 3 point line entirely. With the number of possessions in an NBA game due to both the short shot clock and the speed of players, and how good shooting has gotten, rolling the dice on a 3 point shot makes more sense than a lot of other plays. On average most teams will shoot better than 33%, and that’s all you need to make it worth it.

If you want less focus on distance shooting, you either need to make it worth fewer points, make it harder to earn, or reduce the number of possessions in a game so that the shot choice matters more. Maybe that’s part of the reason the commissioner suggested shortening quarters to 10 minutes from 12.

10 or 11 minute quarters wouldn’t kill NBA but 6 fouls would be a MASSIVE boost to legitimacy of men’s cbb.

I think it was @ASU and Gilbert that was a prime example. He had to sit out most of the game. One because he got baited into a technical by the ASU freshman who played like a hothead from opening tip, another was an objectively wrong horrible call.

A star player had to sit out lots of key moments while only committing two obvious fouls. That’s a busted game/sport.

 

[Deleted member 71209]

If I want to watch millionaires play basketball I'll watch college games.

 

[deadeyededric]

If I want to watch millionaires play basketball I'll watch college games.

No thanks. If I'm going to watch millionaires play basketball I want to watch the best players in the world

 

[HFCS]

They've been a joke of a franchise for 90% of their existence though

They would’ve got a title with Rose but LeBron is such a freak his length and speed combo made him the one guy who could keep him from getting to the rim.

It’s basically Jordan and that blip.

 

[deadeyededric]

The flow and sloppiness of college basketball makes it almost unbearable to watch for me unless it's an ISU game and that's just cause it's my team. I cant sit there and even watch Big Monday anymore unless it's ISU. With the transfers there just isn't enough continuity within programs to look like actual "teams". You can tell these are almost completely new rosters every year. Bad shooting, horrible passing, etc .. That's my opinion on the average college basketball game not involving ISU. It's sucks because college basketball used to be my favorite sport of all

 

[deadeyededric]

Plenty of 4's & 5's could shoot & you had the illegal defense call so the lane could not be that packed. Watching the best post players then was beautiful to watch & you dont see much if that nowadays.

Not like they do now. Yeah guys like Barkley could hit an open 3. You got 5's handling the ball and taking tough shots off the dribble from 30 ft. now. Somebody like Kevin Durant would have been a matchup nightmare for a team in the 90s. Even the good defenders that size were primarily post defenders. You couldn't put someone like Shaq on Giannes.

 

[Deleted member 71209]

The flow and sloppiness of college basketball makes it almost unbearable to watch for me unless it's an ISU game and that's just cause it's my team. I cant sit there and even watch Big Monday anymore unless it's ISU. With the transfers there just isn't enough continuity within programs to look like actual "teams". You can tell these are almost completely new rosters every year. Bad shooting, horrible passing, etc .. That's my opinion on the average college basketball game not involving ISU. It's sucks because college basketball used to be my favorite sport of all

I'm with you on college basketball not being as good anymore because of turnover and the giant conferences.

 

[HFCS]

The flow and sloppiness of college basketball makes it almost unbearable to watch for me unless it's an ISU game and that's just cause it's my team. I cant sit there and even watch Big Monday anymore unless it's ISU. With the transfers there just isn't enough continuity within programs to look like actual "teams". You can tell these are almost completely new rosters every year. Bad shooting, horrible passing, etc .. That's my opinion on the average college basketball game not involving ISU. It's sucks because college basketball used to be my favorite sport of all

I think it might have been last year vs KU where it was like “wow this was actually a beautiful well played and well officiated game”. I can’t be sure but I remember thinking it was refreshing and I think maybe even Self said something similar.

The top conferences would do well to band together in some kind of better officiating structure.

 

[deadeyededric]

I think it might have been last year vs KU where it was like “wow this was actually a beautiful well played and well officiated game”. I can’t be sure but I remember thinking it was refreshing and I think maybe even Self said something similar.

The top conferences would do well to band together in some kind of better officiating structure.

Officials are as responsible for how a game looks as much as the players. Especially when it comes to the flow of it. Inconsistent calls and refs not really setting a tempo have been a problem for the last 3-4 years anyway.

 

[Cyowa 14]

The defense in playoff games is better than NCAA. If Houston had proper officiating that wasn’t peeing their pants afraid of Sampson they couldn’t play like that.

In the regular season guys need to at least be competent defensively unless they’re an elite scorer. Georges became a much better defender in his first few years in the nba.



NBA got rid of flopping pretty quickly. They also got rid of the offensive player kicking out the leg to draw a foul better than ncaa did. There are some major advantages to officiating 32 teams vs 370.

Whats your opinion on the atmosphere? It doesn't bother you to have a dead arena and listen to music and the pr system while the game is being played? I'm just genuinely curious because it drives me nuts, I've tried watching it on mute but I don't like that either

 

[AllInForISU]

They've been a joke of a franchise for 90% of their existence though

That is unequivocally false. They have had as much or more success than any team in NBA history other than the Lakers or the Celtics.

 

[deadeyededric]

That is unequivocally false. They have had as much or more success than any team in NBA history other than the Lakers or the Celtics.

The franchise had a good 10 year run. They've been hot garbage pretty much the rest of the time. They sure as hell haven't been consistent winners.

 

[ISUTex]

When I was a kid I was a huge NBA with Inside Stuff and NBA on NBC through the 90s, but now I haven't watched basically any games after I went to ISU and College Basketball. I'll see a few NBA games here and there, maybe 3 or 4 games a year, but I thought this was very interesting.

Draymond Green said that NBA is boring. A few quotes from the article.





Some crazy statistics about the 3 point attempts per game. They commish say they need to change the game and just not move back the 3 point line.



What do you think about the empjasis 3 point too much the game in NBA?

I know they need to have a 3 point shot, but I was thinking of what I'd be with without a 3 point line. Play the whole court not just the line. See people battle under the basket.

Think about the playing on the gyms you play 2:1 field shots, Organized basketball is 3:2, but what if NBA made.it like a 5:4. Now they would never do this like 2 FG shots or 2.5 at past the line, or do 3 points for standard FG and 4 after behind the line.

Thoughts?

Warriors' Draymond Green says NBA is 'very boring' except for when he's playing against LeBron James

Green sounded off on the state of the game during All-Star Weekend

www.cbssports.com

The NBA sucks. Barely watch it. I sometimes watch Inside the NBA with Shaq and Barkley. But I find something else to do when the game starts.

 

[ISUTex]

Yep think this is the bigger problem. Too long of season. Waters down the games and you have stars load managing to try and be ready for the playoffs

Load managing is so ******* stupid. Should be fines for it.

 

[CycloneRulzzz]

The franchise had a good 10 year run. They've been hot garbage pretty much the rest of the time. They sure as hell haven't been consistent winners.

They had a 5 year run in early 10's of 62,50,45,48,50 wins.

 

[AllInForISU]

The franchise had a good 10 year run. They've been hot garbage pretty much the rest of the time. They sure as hell haven't been consistent winners.

They have been to the conference championship series 11 times in their history. Literally behind only the Lakers, Celtics and Spurs. The Lakers and Celtics are really the only team with multiple runs of greatness.

I get they suck now, (still a playoff team so no good draft pick) but saying that they have been bad 90% of their existence is just so wrong. Almost any franchise would take the Bulls history.

 

[ISUTex]

Shave 15 games off the regular season and it would be fine. The skill level is higher now than it ever has been. The versatility of players and moving the 3 point line back has made it impossible to play defense though. I mean contrary to popular belief nobody watched the NBA in the 70s or 80s. There is way more parity now too.

Skill level much higher? IS it though? Maybe it is. From the few games and highlights that I see, I see really week defense and a lot of threes and open lanes to the rim for easy dunks and finishes. The players are taller on average. But more skilled? I'm not sure. Maybe, but what would players in the 90's have looked like if they played today's defense? Imagine the amount of threes guys would've hit in the 90's had that been a priority like it is now.

What if they went back to the defense they played in the 90's and early 2000's and fined teams for "load managing" their star players?


Whether they're more skilled or not, today's game is still barley watchable.

Maybe the league should grab some power back from the spoiled players.

 

[deadeyededric]

Skill level much higher? IS it though? Maybe it is. From the few games and highlights that I see, I see really week defense and a lot of threes and open lanes to the rim for easy dunks and finishes. The players are taller on average. But more skilled? I'm not sure. Maybe, but what would players in the 90's have looked like if they played today's defense? Imagine the amount of threes guys would've hit in the 90's had that been a priority like it is now.

What if they went back to the defense they played in the 90's and early 2000's and fined teams for "load managing" their star players?


Whether they're more skilled or not, today's game is still barley watchable.

Maybe the league should grab some power back from the spoiled players.

Yeah they are more talented and skilled and it's not even close. Thats why it looks like they can't play defense. You miss the point. There is no going back to clogging the lane. The shooting is too good 1-5 and the 3 point line being farther back stretches the floor. These were rule changes put in place because people thought the old game was boring. It's hard to guard someone who can score one on one. Especially when they have space and you don't have help. People like you like you pretend theyre just lazy and that's not the case. Look what Milan does for ISU's offense compared to when he's out. Having 7 footers who can score from outside stretches the floor.

 

[ISUTex]

They have been to the conference championship series 11 times in their history. Literally behind only the Lakers, Celtics and Spurs. The Lakers and Celtics are really the only team with multiple runs of greatness.

I get they suck now, (still a playoff team so no good draft pick) but saying that they have been bad 90% of their existence is just so wrong. Almost any franchise would take the Bulls history.

The Bulls were in the playoffs quite often before Jordan even arrived. I think the franchise started in the mid-late 60's. They had a good run with Derrick Rose too. The Bulls aren't even close to being a terrible franchise. They suck now though. Seems every time I see their score on the bottom of the screen they lost. Not even sure who their good players are now.

 

[ISUTex]

Yeah they are more talented and skilled and it's not even close. Thats why it looks like they can't play defense. You miss the point. There is no going back to clogging the lane. The shooting is too good 1-5 and the 3 point line being farther back stretches the floor. These were rule changes put in place because people thought the old game was boring. It's hard to guard someone who can score one on one. Especially when they have space and you don't have help. People like you like yo pretend theyre just lazy and that's not the case. Look what Milan does for ISU's offense compared to when he's out. Having 7 footers who can score from outside stretches the floor.

That's not why it looks like they can't play defense. It's because they aren't playing defense. They're probably too busy wondering what outfit they're going to wear the next game they sit out. Can't focus on D.

And Milan isn 6-8.