That game was fixed

[KSUcat]

Ah, well I see Lazard and PI in the same sentence and I can't help but think about the one. If that's the case though the logic still stands, the problem with that though is the DB literally ran into him, how that was flagged on Lazard I'll never figure out

I definitely think the picked up flag on ISU's last drive should've been a PI. However, you have to be beyond delusional to think that the OPI was a bad call. That was 100% the correct call.

Not coming here to talk smack at all, but the no call on ISU's last drive would've been irrelevant if ISU had run the ball on 2nd down. I know that decision has been discussed extensively on here but I think ISU without a doubt wins the game if they run the ball there.

 

[AuH2O]

I don’t remember the result of the possession, but what about offsides call on Bailey early in the game?

Jumped the line and then jumped backwithout contact, the lineman jumped and the play was whistled dead and the offsides called. The call was offsides causing the offense to false start

If the defense makes contact, that’s encroachment, correct? If he doesn’t make contact and is onsides when the ball is snapped, that should have been a no call correct?

Why doesn’t the offensive line just false start each time the defense is offsides? No need to snap the ball.

No effect on the actual result, but thought it was a very strange call during the game.

If the defensive movement causes the offense to move, contact or not it is encroachment. However in this case Bailey was already back by the time the OL moved, so it should've been a false start, but it seemed close at the time and I haven't seen a replay.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I would watch this game again to see if it really was fixed, but I can't bring myself to do it.

 

[DurangoCy]

He was not past the first down marker for sure, as Ryan was at the same level and had to turn and reach for the marker.

You're talking about the Offensive PI, he's talking about the Defensive. Carry on.

 

[BCClone]

I definitely think the picked up flag on ISU's last drive should've been a PI. However, you have to be beyond delusional to think that the OPI was a bad call. That was 100% the correct call.

Not coming here to talk smack at all, but the no call on ISU's last drive would've been irrelevant if ISU had run the ball on 2nd down. I know that decision has been discussed extensively on here but I think ISU without a doubt wins the game if they run the ball there.

It was similar to the Kstate OPI that was picked up that would have stalled your first TD drive. (which also had a lineman 5-7 yards down field). So you admit that they shouldn't have picked up the flag?

 

[RealisticCy]

Quit blaming coaches for play calling. it was set up perfectly.

Three things:
1) It was the wrong play call. Running the ball is the correct play especially how well we were running the ball at the time. For all you conspiracy theorists: why would you want to put the game in the hands of the "corrupt" big 12 refs?

2) In that picture Lazard has his arm around the DB as well. I think it was PI, but that picture really tell the whole story. If the ref thought there was contact initiated both ways, they could pick it up. Judgement call, made in real time.

3) I think you missed the point of my original post: the whole "game was fixed" argument is ridiculous. If we get a first down the game is over and the refs don't get the chance to "fix" the game for K-state.

 

[Judoka]

This wasn't a Big XII conspiracy, the commish didn't give the reffing crew instructions or something. That reffing crew did this all on their own either out of total incompetence or malice.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Three things:
1) It was the wrong play call. Running the ball is the correct play especially how well we were running the ball at the time. For all you conspiracy theorists: why would you want to put the game in the hands of the "corrupt" big 12 refs?

2) In that picture Lazard has his arm around the DB as well. I think it was PI, but that picture really tell the whole story. If the ref thought there was contact initiated both ways, they could pick it up. Judgement call, made in real time.

3) I think you missed the point of my original post: the whole "game was fixed" argument is ridiculous. If we get a first down the game is over and the refs don't get the chance to "fix" the game for K-state.

My biggest problem with the last PI that was picked up is the body contact. Lazard is entitled to his space, as is the DB. Both have their arms in/around the other. In this case however Lazard is trying to make an adjustment to the ball. The body contact initiated by the DB forced Allen out of his space. Also, the only reason the DB looked back for the ball, is because his head was pushed that way against Lazard's chest, which again was initiated by the DB.

 

[clonedude]

This wasn't a Big XII conspiracy, the commish didn't give the reffing crew instructions or something. That reffing crew did this all on their own either out of total incompetence or malice.

Totally agree. Anyone on here that thinks the Big 12 was out to get us are just plain wrong IMO. They would never have allowed us to beat OU or TCU in the first place if that were the case. And, the Big 12 would rather have had ISU win yesterday, so OU's loss to us doesn't look so bad.

I just think one, or two, or all three of the officials just had something against ISU yesterday for whatever reason? Maybe they did want to see Snyder go out with a win? Maybe they know someone at KSU? Maybe they hate ISU? Maybe they were scared for their lives getting out of the stadium if KSU lost? Who knows? But it wasn't some kind of Big 12 conspiracy. It was just blatantly obvious that this particular group of officials yesterday did not want ISU to win that game.

 

[BCClone]

Totally agree. Anyone on here that thinks the Big 12 was out to get us are just plain wrong IMO. They would never have allowed us to beat OU or TCU in the first place if that were the case. And, the Big 12 would rather have had ISU win yesterday, so OU's loss to us doesn't look so bad.

I just think one, or two, or all three of the officials just had something against ISU yesterday for whatever reason? Maybe they did want to see Snyder go out with a win? Maybe they know someone at KSU? Maybe they hate ISU? Maybe they were scared for their lives getting out of the stadium if KSU lost? Who knows? But it wasn't some kind of Big 12 conspiracy. It was just blatantly obvious that this particular group of officials yesterday did not want ISU to win that game.

Anybody who doesn't think refs don't try to tweak games to help out in a last game type thing has to remember Danny Macs last game. Problem here is, the codger hasn't announced anything yet.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Three things:
1) It was the wrong play call. Running the ball is the correct play especially how well we were running the ball at the time. For all you conspiracy theorists: why would you want to put the game in the hands of the "corrupt" big 12 refs?

2) In that picture Lazard has his arm around the DB as well. I think it was PI, but that picture really tell the whole story. If the ref thought there was contact initiated both ways, they could pick it up. Judgement call, made in real time.

3) I think you missed the point of my original post: the whole "game was fixed" argument is ridiculous. If we get a first down the game is over and the refs don't get the chance to "fix" the game for K-state.

Lazard had his arm there as a natural reaction to a bear hug.

We did get a first down, as a result of a pass interference. And a guy 40 yards away overruled it.

 

[jsb]

If we continue to blame refs this program will never turn the corner. Why give the kids or coaches an excuse that the refs lost the game. Worry about improving yourself and your team and things will work out.

If the refs truly fixed the game it will surface maybe not today or tomorrow or in the next 5 years but it will get resolved somehow.

You dumbass. We are fans. We can ******* blame the refs all we want to because we have nothing to do with the actual team.

And, frankly, that ******** crap about giving the players and coaches an excuse is such a false flag. Players have eyes. They actually played in that game. They know that got screwed. Idiots fans telling them to get over it frankly don't understand jack ****.

 

[AuH2O]

I definitely think the picked up flag on ISU's last drive should've been a PI. However, you have to be beyond delusional to think that the OPI was a bad call. That was 100% the correct call.

Not coming here to talk smack at all, but the no call on ISU's last drive would've been irrelevant if ISU had run the ball on 2nd down. I know that decision has been discussed extensively on here but I think ISU without a doubt wins the game if they run the ball there.

Wrong on OPI. A pick play in itself is not illegal. The receiver has a right to run to a spot as does the defender. Second the contact happened prior to the ball being in the air so it cannot be a penalty. Nor would it have been a DPI had Kempt thrown to Lazard on that play.
Of course we could pull out the "do this and take it out of the officials hands" game, but the team did more than enough to win, were clearly the better team and got hosed.
But thanks for enlightening us by being wrong. Phantom hold on Garcia, missed FS on KSUs TD, the whole game was a joke.

 

[Nelcyn]

You dumbass. We are fans. We can ******* blame the refs all we want to because we have nothing to do with the actual team.

And, frankly, that ******** crap about giving the players and coaches an excuse is such a false flag. Players have eyes. They actually played in that game. They know that got screwed. Idiots fans telling them to get over it frankly don't understand jack ****.

You are weak minded. Iowa State played 58 minutes of football and then forgot to play the last two.

 

[Go2Guy]

This isn't goona sound, or look good, but...


+ Skylar Thompson is a 3rd-string QB...and a Freshman ?#$#?

+ He didn't practice all week after injuring his knee in the Okie St game.

+ He was 5-9 for 28-yds in first 3Q's; he was 10-12 and 124-yds in the 4th.

when we had 8-guys drop in the secondary.

+ They drove 87 yards in less than 2-minutes to win; kinda like Stanley going 85-yrds on us (3 times),

+ KSU didn't play 3 guys in the Secondary due to injury.

+ They only had 53-yards and 2-first downs in the first half, but lead 7-6 because our Red Zone O couldn’t stick it in.

The obvious PI on Lazard cost us another set of downs, but what happened to our D in the 4th Q??

 

[CycloneWanderer]

They changed the way they played offense in the last two minutes. they should have been doing that all game.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I definitely think the picked up flag on ISU's last drive should've been a PI. However, you have to be beyond delusional to think that the OPI was a bad call. That was 100% the correct call.

Not coming here to talk smack at all, but the no call on ISU's last drive would've been irrelevant if ISU had run the ball on 2nd down. I know that decision has been discussed extensively on here but I think ISU without a doubt wins the game if they run the ball there.

Or if the PI was called. So what’s the difference?

 

[ISUTex]

KSU needed every second. Run it on 3rd down ISU wins easy....with that said, most obviously fixed game in 2017.

Eh, the refs would've called more holding on ISU if they ran it. Wouldn't have mattered. Heck, if that last play was incomplete they would've called def holding somehow on somebody. The fix was in. Snyder was going to win that game.

 

[ISUCubswin]

So ******* used to calling ******** fouls on Iowa State they ******* originally called a hold on Iowa State AFTER WE PUNTED.

WTF, yeah, we're holding their guys while running downfield to make a ******* tackle.

Ass hats.

 

[ArgentCy]

I don't think it was the whole crew either, just the head referee and perhaps one other that controls the crew. You don't need extra pockets to line when just the guy in charge will do.