That game was fixed

[xr4ticlone]

My favorite was the announcer after the picked up flag on Lazard on our final O drive.

"Well there's contact there...but you've got to let the D have that to defend against a beast like Lazaard"

Oh...so maybe we should use smaller defenders and then we can just tackle opposing WR's...you know...to make it fair.

WTF? That's gotta be the dumbest thing ever...

Frustrated we didn't do a better job clock management...also frustrated with the officials.

 

[Gunnerclone]

SIAP but that was a “make sure the guy the stadium is named after goes out on a win in his last game there” game. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[Deleted member 8507]

I have been viewing these forums for a few seasons, and posting for just a fraction of one, but there is one thing i cam say for certain. No fanbase in America understands the rule book or officiating less than ours. That last PI non call was 100% correct. Have I seen that incorrectly ruled PI in the past? Yes. Did the officials get it right here? Yes. The defender had excellent position and clearly turned his head and made a play on the football.

So according to this post, you can just truck over the receiver as long as your head is turned and you are making a play for the ball. The receiver just happened to be in the wrong spot, so no harm, no foul. All of the contact before the ball arrives just doesn't matter.

 

[Cardinal2001]

It is a cancer to the program to blame refs. Let the professionals figure it out. That does not mean stop throwing your remote at the TV or punching the pillow 100 times in a row or in your mind pulling 3 or 4 scholarships.

I think isuNo1Fan got a new username.

 

[Cardinal2001]

re: Lazard's Holding/PI penalty. Wasn't he within 5 yards, where contact is allowed?

 

[clonefan841]

re: Lazard's Holding/PI penalty. Wasn't he within 5 yards, where contact is allowed?

Definitely not, it was 3rd and 6 and he was a good 3 or 4 yards beyond the 1st down marker.

Regardless, the contact happened while the ball was in the air, and it doesn't matter where you are on the field, that is illegal. The 5 yard contact is before the ball is trown

 

[Deleted member 8507]

Definitely not, it was 3rd and 6 and he was a good 3 or 4 yards beyond the 1st down marker.

Regardless, the contact happened while the ball was in the air, and it doesn't matter where you are on the field, that is illegal. The 5 yard contact is before the ball is trown

I think he was talking about the offensive pick called against Lazard.

 

[clonefan841]

I think he was talking about the offensive pick called against Lazard.

Ah, well I see Lazard and PI in the same sentence and I can't help but think about the one. If that's the case though the logic still stands, the problem with that though is the DB literally ran into him, how that was flagged on Lazard I'll never figure out

 

[Cardinal2001]

I think he was talking about the offensive pick called against Lazard.

Ah, well I see Lazard and PI in the same sentence and I can't help but think about the one. If that's the case though the logic still stands, the problem with that though is the DB literally ran into him, how that was flagged on Lazard I'll never figure out

That is exactly the play I'm talking about. The ball in the air explanation is good for me.

 

[CyBobby]

No, this isn't about blaming the refs anymore. This isn't "oh, we lost, I know, let's blame terrible calls." Stop with this nonsense. This is beyond that. Refs are literally taking games away from the better team and giving them to the weaker team because they don't believe it should be this way...or they are getting paid under the table...I dunno, maybe they bet on the game. There is officiating mistakes, and then there's blatant screwjobs that the refs didn't do a good job hiding. This is a huge problem in sports and it doesn't start here, it goes on EVERYWHERE. And when this kind of thing happens, we never really get to see who the best teams really are. What difference does improving yourself make when if you actually excecute properly you still get the loss because someone somewhere needed to get paid?

Your right the officials SCREWED us out of this game because we are ISU and are not supposed to win.................That perception has persisted since Earle Bruce left ISU in 1978......

 

[OldCurmudgeon]

I'm pissed at the calls by the refs, and typically in a game only 1 flag at most gets picked up/reversed. With that said, OU only has 1 loss and it's to ISU. Wouldn't the big 12 want to conspire to prop ISU up in order to make OU's loss look better?

Just sayin'...

Because Miami had already lost and, I think the timeline may support it, it was clear that Alabama was going to lose to Auburn when the flag shenanigans on the last drive started. Oklahoma didn't need ISU to look good anymore. They were likely to be the #1 team in the country. So, maybe, the Big 12 officials got into the ear of the refs at the game and said: "Stick it to Iowa State. Give the Vampire a good send off."

Damn, I may need to go pick out a new tin foil hat.

Beyond that, it's obvious to me that ISU cannot depend on its defense to win games. Too small a window for error, taking into consideration the officiating history. They have to blow teams out, making the officiating crew meaningless.

 

[Omaha Cy]

Beyond that, it's obvious to me that ISU cannot depend on its defense to win games. Too small a window for error, taking into consideration the officiating history. They have to blow teams out, making the officiating crew meaningless.

I don't own any tin foil hates so i can't comment on the rest of your post and the Big 12 conspiracy. As for the defense, It will finished nationally ranked about 30th in PPG, and 50th in YPG. 2nd and 3rd in the Big 12 in both categories fo all games and only conference games. Point being a slightly more reliable rushing offense and more time of possession would have made the difference in a couple of those games. WVU for shizzle.

I'm sold on the defense.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Definitely not, it was 3rd and 6 and he was a good 3 or 4 yards beyond the 1st down marker.

Regardless, the contact happened while the ball was in the air, and it doesn't matter where you are on the field, that is illegal. The 5 yard contact is before the ball is trown

He was not past the first down marker for sure, as Ryan was at the same level and had to turn and reach for the marker.

 

[Blandboy]

re: Lazard's Holding/PI penalty. Wasn't he within 5 yards, where contact is allowed?

no, it wasn’t ...happened at the KSU 35...line of scrimmage was close to midfield.

 

[clonedlion]

Precedent has already been set. It is ok for a PI penalty to get called, in this case it was marked off, then the refs get together and pick up and bring it back. This is also after the head of ref, Dean Blandino was caught on Jerry Jones party bus.
No way are these two instances are fixed for the perceived, "better" teams in this situation, or teams that NFL or big 12 want to see win, this is just a plain ole good job by the refs...

 

[bosco]

People say that refs get a bad rap and cry about how hard it is. After that poop show they bring it in on themselves. After watching that debacle you come away with 2 thoughts. Either they are crooked or incompetent. I don't feel sorry one bit for these refs. If they don't want the heat then don't suck at your job.

 

[CyCloned]

This is one of those games where you know the officials mindset is, hey this is a really close game, if I throw a flag there, the visiting team will win for sure. If I don't they win still have a chance to stop them on defense. Throwing the flag will affect the end of the game, so I better not do that.

 

[Jonyrose]

I don’t remember the result of the possession, but what about offsides call on Bailey early in the game?

Jumped the line and then jumped backwithout contact, the lineman jumped and the play was whistled dead and the offsides called. The call was offsides causing the offense to false start

If the defense makes contact, that’s encroachment, correct? If he doesn’t make contact and is onsides when the ball is snapped, that should have been a no call correct?

Why doesn’t the offensive line just false start each time the defense is offsides? No need to snap the ball.

No effect on the actual result, but thought it was a very strange call during the game.

 

[OldCurmudgeon]

This is one of those games where you know the officials mindset is, hey this is a really close game, if I throw a flag there, the visiting team will win for sure. If I don't they win still have a chance to stop them on defense. Throwing the flag will affect the end of the game, so I better not do that.

But they DID do that... twice... but were "talked out of it" by the other officials. A penalty is a penalty is a penalty. Just call the damn game or go home the last 5 mins.

 

[CyCloned]

But they DID do that... twice... but were "talked out of it" by the other officials. A penalty is a penalty is a penalty. Just call the damn game or go home the last 5 mins.

Oh I agree, but you see this kind of crap at the end of basketball games all the time.