Targeting explanation

Yes there was an upward thrust as I see now.

Also the 2 point conversion to tie it at 24, ASU had an illegal man down field but defensive holding was called, so it was half the distance and retry.
Illegal man down field from the two yard line?
 
Yes there was an upward thrust as I see now.

Also the 2 point conversion to tie it at 24, ASU had an illegal man down field but defensive holding was called, so it was half the distance and retry.
Was this reviewed with 5 different clear views?
 
Illegal man down field from the two yard line?
Not that I really care to re-litigate potential penalties on every play in the game, but are o-linemen allowed to go as far downfield as they want into the endzone on pass plays from the 2?
 
Not that I really care to re-litigate potential penalties on every play in the game, but are o-linemen allowed to go as far downfield as they want into the endzone on pass plays from the 2?
Yes, if they are engaged in blocking.
 
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Yes, if they are engaged in blocking.
Well sure, but isn't that the case anywhere on the field? If the lineman engages within 3 yards of the LOS and continues to be engaged it doesn't matter how far downfield they go? I thought that was the case anyways.
 
Well sure, but isn't that the case anywhere on the field? If the lineman engages within 3 yards of the LOS and continues to be engaged it doesn't matter how far downfield they go? I thought that was the case anyways.
I am not sure about the specific incident. I didn't see what @iowastatefan1929 is referring to.
 
What I can say is it 100% did not rob them of all opportunity to win the game because that's exactly what they had with the 4th and 13 play.
My gripe isn’t whether or not ASU was robbed, my gripe is that they claim player safety for the targeting call. Shouldn’t matter if it was a close game or ASU is down 30 at that point. It was horrible to not call targeting there.

You can’t claim player safety and let a play like that go. It was a call they decided not to make because it was Te$as and we all know very well that if that play happened with ASU on Defense, they call it targeting every time. As I said when it happened, if that isn’t targeting, then throw targeting out all together because nothing is targeting.
 
I am not sure about the specific incident. I didn't see what @iowastatefan1929 is referring to.
I'm not either. It just got me thinking about the rule and how it applies in the endzone. There are no yard markers to judge so I am honestly curious how they call it or if the rule doesn't apply in the endzone. I don't think I've ever seen that called in that area.
 
You’re correct. Targeting is still in place EVEN if the ball is tipped. On the other hand, if the ball is tipped, you can’t have pass interference.
I think the question is not if targeting is off the table rather if being a defenseless player after a tipped ball still stands. Haven't seen anything to explain that either way.
 
I think the question is not if targeting is off the table rather if being a defenseless player after a tipped ball still stands. Haven't seen anything to explain that either way.
If a ball being tipped negates someone from being defenseless then the rule fails at protecting players.
 
If a ball being tipped negates someone from being defenseless then the rule fails at protecting players.
I won't argue but I'm just going off what I've heard in the past.
There's also this, take it for what it's worth as a google response:
 
I won't argue but I'm just going off what I've heard in the past.
There's also this, take it for what it's worth as a google response:

Don't get me wrong, I believe it's possible that is how the rule is written. I'm just saying if it is it fails at its purpose.
 
Don't get me wrong, I believe it's possible that is how the rule is written. I'm just saying if it is it fails at its purpose.
I think that's an NFL rule. Not sure if it applies in college but I think that's part of the larger problem which is this rule is too vague to enforce consistently.
 
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I won't argue but I'm just going off what I've heard in the past.
There's also this, take it for what it's worth as a google response:

Then why even review it? Everyone knew the ball was tipped.

Is it OK to lay out the QB or another receiver away from the ball when it’s tipped? I’m not trying to be snarky, this is a legit question. Once a ball is tipped is it OK to go head hunting on anyone around you?
 
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Then why even review it? Everyone knew the ball was tipped.

Is it OK to lay out the QB or another receiver away from the ball when it’s tipped? I’m not trying to be snarky, this is a legit question. Once a ball is tipped is it OK to go head hunting on anyone around you?
Because targeting isn't negated from the tipped ball, supposedly the protections of defenseless player are. Can still be targeting without defenseless player stipulations.

And generally yes, that's why when the ball is tipped you can see defensive backs tackling receivers before the ball gets there. Occasionally QBs are hit as well but that doesn't negate an unnecessary roughness situation or targeting if the player would so happen to be hit in such a way. They're just not considered defenseless.
 
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It was targeting. There are different rules for Texas. Never forget. Jeremiah George stripped the ball from the Texas runner that was denied by the referees way back when. Texas was helped by referees. There is bias. Shoe on opposite foot and Texas receiver is the targeted victim it is called against ASU. Tainted victory. Fix is in. Obviously.
 
It was targeting. There are different rules for Texas. Never forget. Jeremiah George stripped the ball from the Texas runner that was denied by the referees way back when. Texas was helped by referees. There is bias. Shoe on opposite foot and Texas receiver is the targeted victim it is called against ASU. Tainted victory. Fix is in. Obviously.
Plausible deniability.
 
As someone said earlier, I'm done watching the SEC/Big 10 Invitational.

Screw you ESPN. I couldn't give a sh*t who wins from here on out, and I sincerely hope a significant part of the college football viewing audience feels the same way.
They don’t. The most significant part of the college football viewing audience live in Big 10 and SEC country.